i’m in awe of your powers to read minds over the net.
All we can read is your posts, ja4, and you have been quite clear and consistent that you believe the leaders of the Catholic Church are teaching error, and that if Catholics will just read their bibles then they can become bible christians.
Not sure why you are saying this. i never claimed that the church has no authority to teach.
You do, every time you state that the Teachings are in error. Since you believe that nothing should be taught that is not in scripture, and that Catholic doctrines are not in scripture, this is a way of saying that the Church is out of order as a teaching authority.
i have an idea but its more important to understand what catholics by it. It seems you do offer a definition which needs to be discussed.
What is this need that you have, ja4? What keeps you from allowing Catholics to hold to their traditions, and shaking off the dust of your feet?
This is the problem. What are these apostolic traditions that were passed on orally (not in scripture)?
There is no “rule” (besides your own) that Traditions not be found in scripture. In fact, most of them are found in both places. Take the table of contents of the Bible, for example. This is one element of Sacred Tradition that is found nowhere in the Bible. The Apostles creed, on the other hand, is almost completely reflected in the Bible.
Have YOU studied the doctrines of the Catholic Church. I said studied, not parrot what you heard once or just made up from whole cloth. You are like a broken record and records are ancient technology broken or not. If I were you I would not worry too much about purgatory because I’m thinking you may not go there anyway. The whole idea of truth is to discern what truth is, not pick the path of least resistance or to hold fast to what grandma told you. Be a searcher for truth and read it for yourself. If you have not read the Catechism and the supporting references, you are never going to learn anything about Catholic “doctrine”.
With all due respect, ja4 has made it clear he is not here to learn about Catholism. His goal here is to pursuade Catholics to abandon the Sacred Traditions, which he believes are “speculations of man” and become bible christians. He does read the catechism, and it has not been pursuasive.
JA4, since nobody is explaining to you where you can read the stuff you are looking for:
Start here with the Catechism:
vatican.va/archive/catechism/ccc_toc.htm
Every time the Church makes a statement in the whole thing, they cite it with the appropriate scripture or tradition from where that comes. You seem interested in things that are backed up by tradition only, without scripture.
Don’t be misled by the questions of ja4, Khariz. You are new here (welcome by the way) so you may not be aware that his questions are disingenuous. He does not really want to know about Sacred Tradition. He has already made up his mind that it is all the "speculations of men’. If you read his posts from 18 months ago, you can see that this information has been given to him repeatedly.
. You can find HOW tradition interrelates to the Bible.
ja4 thinks that tradition should have nothing to do with scripture. He believes scripture interprets itself.
I warn you though, as the road is not easy. You can’t spend 15 minutes looking at a topic, say “oh this is hogwash” and move on. What many people have a hard time doing is setting aside their feelings long enough to undertstand that Catholic tradition isn’t some arbitrary garbage that some pope 1000 years ago made up.
On the contrary, that is exactly what he believes it is!
I know you don’t feel like many of the explanantions you have been given in this thread were helpful, but I hope that the resources I have mentioned will help your research into certain doctrines.
Check back with me in 6 months, and we will see how “helpful” you feel.
Before i can answer this i need to know specifically what are the "
Apostolic Tradition for 2000 years"? When i have asked for the details about this i continually hammered for asking it.
What you get hammered for is the disingenousness of your request. As soon as information is provided, you will say “but it is not in the bible, and all we have is in the bible.”
What i’m exhorting you and others of your church is to look deeply what your church teaches and promotes as the truth. There are many doctrines and practices that are unbilical and not what Christ taught.
CAF is not a venue for you to promote you anti-Catholic evangelistic agenda, ja4. If you wish to “exhort” you will have to go elsewhere.
