Nonsense. I have speaking directly to cherished catholic beliefs that i know from expierence if you challenge them will be hated for doing so. Its not about being a martyr but a fact when a person engages for Christ.
Sorry, ja4. Don’t know which catholics you are used to, but those are not the ones you will find here. Catholics here submit to Christ’s instructions that we love our enemies, and pray for those who persecute us. Therefore, we cannot “hate” you, even if we hate your behavior. We also believe that, if we do not forgive our brother from our heart, then our sins will not be forgiven either, so we cannot even hold your heinous sins against you.
It is a mystery why you would attack another Christians’ cherished beliefs. Where does it tell you in Scripture to do this?
You oppose the truth. I have continually demonstrated many errors in catholic teachings by Scripture and history. You and others have not been able to refute these facts.
ja4, these may be facts in your own small world, and you are welcome to them. The purpose of CAF is not for you to come here and tell us that our cherished beliefs are errors. You clearly are not “justasking” anything, but have an agenda to convert Catholics to bible Christians. I would urge you to open your own forum, and invite anyone who wants to come.
Then lets test what you have learned by studying the doctrines and practices of the catholic church. Lets compare them with the scriptures and see where it leads.
You have done this to your satisfaction, have you not? Are you not fully pursuaded that Catholic doctrines are the “speculations of men”? Whereas, we have no need to do any such thing, since not only do we recognize your private interpretation as authoritative, but we know that our doctrines are based on the Teaching of Jesus, and not your limited understanding of the Holy Scriptures.
Huh? It has already been refuted by catholic scholars that the woman of Revelations 12 is Mary. That is what should be ignored.
No, ja4. We do not ignore the Teachings of the Apostles because some errant modern day scholar decides he does not agree with the Magesterium. :dts:
Since you have rejected the Sacred Tradition, you are at liberty to ignore the Teachings of the Magesterium (to your own peril). You disobey the Apostolic Teaching:
2 Thess 2:14-15
15 So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.
That may be but they do carry a lot of weight.
Only for those in rebellion against the Authority appointed by Christ.
Gal 1:7-9
8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, If any one is preaching to you a gospel contrary to that which you received, let him be accursed.
Do you know what it means to be accursed?
You misunderstand me. Without a written record we cannot be sure of anything in the past like this. There are no eyewitnesses alive that could bear witness to the truthfulness of this. What we are left with is mere speculation.
You cannot be sure, because you are separated from those who are the stewards of the divine mysteries. Here at CAF, you try to separate others who are in unity with those stewards.
How do you know Jude got this from Sacred Oral Tradition and not a written source?
When you find it in your OT, you let me know.!
You wanted evidence of the Sacred Oral Tradition (the Word of God that is not in the Scripture). It was given to you. Now you want to say it is not Sacred Tradition, because someone may have written it somewhere else besides the Bible? If I were to say “oh, maybe they got that from one of the other writings” will you say "well, it is not in the Bible (OT) and that is all we have that counts.
Huh? Where did Jesus Himself speak of these things in the gospels?
You asked for something that was not in the gospels. It was given to you. Now you want to see it in the gospel? Do you see yourself chasing your tail?
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I would think he got it from some source but not sure what it was. I suspect it was a written source since it seems it relates to some long before his time. What do you think?
I think you are right, it relates to things long before his time, just like the account in Genesis of the creation and the experiences of Abraham occurred long before their time. You see, God prepared His people to receive and maintain Sacred Oral Tradition. That is one of the reasons that Salvation has come from the Jews.
