SPLIT: From Fatima...Images & the Salvation of Catholics

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Are you a teenager by any chance?
If so it would explain alot.
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No.

I am a retired Colonel (11A; 42A) BA in Comparative Literature. JD in law. Taught public schools. Ran a restaurant/bar in the 80s

Served on Catholic scouting committees. Published poet and produced playwright (I was awarded an Irvine grant for a narrative poem about California: verifiable on line).

Married at 19. Still married. My kids are over 21. My grandkids are under 6. I don’t think I’m a teenager but I get acne sometimes.
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Newbie,

I am tired of being attacked by ‘well meaning Christians’ because of my Catholic beliefs.

If you can’t justify your wild hair assertions about Mary and ‘doctrine’ and ‘dual fulfillment’ then apoligize and move on to other topics.

Look, if you come into a Catholic Forum and make those statements, I and others will call you on them.

Pax Christi.
 
Newbie, what is it about your faith that sets it apart from others? In other words, why do you believe that your faith is the right one and not, say, the baptists? Methodists? Calvinists? Without an authority such as the Magisterium, the protestants are divisive, and split continuously. So prove to me and to all of us why your faith, why your interpretation is the truth, and not ours, or the baptist’s, or the methodists. What sets you apart from everyone else?
 
newbie1234 said:
Post 636 does NOT address 2 and 3, above, and only adds line 17 to the 2 Timothy quote.

You contend that doctrine comes “solely” (YOUR EXACT WORD) from scripture only.

I showed you that ‘scripture’ at the time 2 Timothy was written was OT or Jewish scripture. There was NOT any Bible being circulated prior to about 400 AD!

I asked how “profitable for doctrine” can be twisted to mean “complete for doctrine.”

You AVOIDED answering that one. WHY? Because there is NO scriptural basis for your goofy sola scriptura assertion.

Saying it over and over does not make it true, Newbie.
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Are you a teenager by any chance?
If so it would explain alot.
For answer to #3 go to post 628
Have you noticed when hard questions are asked the dodge is either your not clear or an insult. That is if any answer is given at all.
What it explains is that you don’t have an answer
 
I’ll understand if you ignore me or continue your attacks and change the subject. Protestants do that extremely well. Unlike Jesus, who answered the pharisees and scribes upfront.
 
JonathanKinsman said:
No.

I am a retired Colonel (11A; 42A) BA in Comparative Literature. JD in law. Taught public schools. Ran a restaurant/bar in the 80s

Served on Catholic scouting committees. Published poet and produced playwright (I was awarded an Irvine grant for a narrative poem about California: verifiable on line).

Married at 19. Still married. My kids are over 21. My grandkids are under 6. I don’t think I’m a teenager but I get acne sometimes.
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I’m surprised your posts make me think you were much younger.
 
like I said, I’d understand if you’d jab an insult rather than answering.
 
dbacks5439 said:
Newbie, what is it about your faith that sets it apart from others? In other words, why do you believe that your faith is the right one and not, say, the baptists? Methodists? Calvinists? Without an authority such as the Magisterium, the protestants are divisive, and split continuously. So prove to me and to all of us why your faith, why your interpretation is the truth, and not ours, or the baptist’s, or the methodists. What sets you apart from everyone else?
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I follow the Word of God and not the religion of men.
Any faith that is based solely on the Word is very similar to my faith. So I do not stand alone.
 
newbie1234 said:
I follow the Word of God and not the religion of men.
Any faith that is based solely on the Word is very similar to my faith. So I do not stand alone.
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Christianity is a religion. Catholic Church was founded in 29 A.D by Jesus, Orthodox was founded in 1054, and Protestantism was founded in 1517 A.D. The Catholic Church is religion of God.

The Holy Mother Church obeys the Word of God, both written (Sacred Scripture) and unwritten (Sacred Tradition). Your Church was founded in the 19th Century during the First Awakening.

Roots of evangelical movement

In its early years, what was to become known as evangelicalism was largely a hybrid of the Reformed emphasis on doctrinal orthodoxy, and the pietist emphasis on the heart and a “personal relationship” with God. The movement saw a variety of liturgical styles and ministry approaches, though strong preaching, personal conversion and evangelism were common features.

The contemporary evangelical movement has its origins in the 18th century, when the First Great Awakening was deeply influencing American religious life, while the Methodist movement was beginning to renew parts of British Christianity, although this was at first resisted by the majority of the Anglican established church.

Much of this religious fervor was a reaction to Enlightenment thinking and the deistic writings of many of the western philosophical elites. The chief emphases of the fledgling Methodist movement as well as the Awakening were individual conversion, personal piety and Bible study, public morality often including temperance and family values, and abolitionism, a broadened role for lay people and women in worship, evangelism, and cooperation in evangelism across denominational lines, (that is, interdenominationally).

Key figures included John Wesley, Anglican priest and originator of the Methodist movement; Jonathan Edwards, American Puritan preacher/theologian; George Whitefield, Anglican priest and chaplain to Selina Hastings, Countess of Huntingdon, founder of many revivalist chapels and promoter of associated causes; Robert Raikes, who established the first Sunday school to prevent children in the slums entering a life of crime; popular hymn writer Charles Wesley, and American Methodist bishop, Francis Asbury.

Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelicalism
 
then why the many divisions? Also, since God gave the Israelites the Judges and the Levites and Sanhedrin to interpret the OT, wouldn’t He have done the same in the NT? I just don’t remember Jesus ever saying, “I’ll be with you for another 300 or so years, then you’ll have the complete bible and you can fend for yourselves.” Instead He said, “I will remain with you till the end of the age.” I bet your retort will be something like, “Jesus is with me because I accepted Him as my personal Lord and Savior. He is with me I as read the Bible and follow Him.” Nice reply, however, what’s to say different about the Baptist? Methodist? Us? Why the different names for each denomination if Jesus is truly with us?
 
LilyM said:
And where is THAT (that the death of John closed the Canon) written in the Bible, hmmm? We say that public revelation ended with the death of John, not that the Canon was closed.

What would happen if today, for example, a hitherto undiscovered Epistle of Paul or one of the other Apostles turned up Dead-Sea-Scrolls style??? Surely it would have to be examined, and quite probably would throw fresh light on some Christian doctrines, would it not?? The canon may have to be reopened to include the new writings, don’tcha think?
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Canon is closed since John’s death. Common Knowledge.
Give me some time and I will show proof
 
dbacks5439 said:
then why the many divisions? Also, since God gave the Israelites the Judges and the Levites and Sanhedrin to interpret the OT, wouldn’t He have done the same in the NT? I just don’t remember Jesus ever saying, “I’ll be with you for another 300 or so years, then you’ll have the complete bible and you can fend for yourselves.” Instead He said, “I will remain with you till the end of the age.” I bet your retort will be something like, “Jesus is with me because I accepted Him as my personal Lord and Savior. He is with me I as read the Bible and follow Him.” Nice reply, however, what’s to say different about the Baptist? Methodist? Us? Why the different names for each denomination if Jesus is truly with us?
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Jesus gave us the Helper or the Holy Spirit. That is why we don’t need a special sect to interpret the NT. The gifts of the Holy Spirit a mentioned in a few different places. I will list them if you like. As for the different denominations I don’t have an answer for you. My bible says test all things hold fast what is good 1thess5:21 if I was in a church and they were teaching something unbiblical I would leave. I really don’t know much about the various denominations and what they believe. I know more about jw and mormonism than baptist and methodist. And you already know I know hardly anything about catholicism.
 
There is no Holy Spirit!!! Would the Holy Spirit really allow for all these divisions? Everybody interprets scripture in their own words. Why do some hold to sola scriptura and others, sola fide? Again, why the divisions?
 
dbacks5439 said:
There is no Holy Spirit!!! Would the Holy Spirit really allow for all these divisions? Everybody interprets scripture in their own words. Why do some hold to sola scriptura and others, sola fide? Again, why the divisions?
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My friend in Christ(I hope)
Your first statement, which I won’y even repeat, is what is called the unpardonable sin. See Matt12:31-32.
May God have mercy on you.
 
newbie1234 said:
Canon is closed since John’s death. Common Knowledge.
Give me some time and I will show proof
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You can’t support that from simple verifiable history.

Explain to us why the Didache is not in the Bible. It’s from teh same time span as the rest of the New Testament and was written by Christians.
 
Actually Newbie, the sin is on you. You claim that the Holy Spirit is not there. I just interpreted it in simpler language. The Holy Spirit is a symbol of unity, not division. Also, if I interpreted your post incorrectly, what’s to say you could interpret the bible incorrectly?
 
Church_Militant said:
You can’t support that from simple verifiable history.

Explain to us why the Didache is not in the Bible. It’s from teh same time span as the rest of the New Testament and was written by Christians.
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Didache was considered spurious by Eusebius @330ad
Therefore not included in the 27 books of the nt
 
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