SPLIT: Homosexuals are in loving relationships

[namikis]

ok… just came back from the gym and had time to think about this a bit. I apologize for the judgmental tone of my posts on this topic. I hope they added some value. I enjoy reading perspectives on this, as my best friends are a gay couple struggling with their Catholicism.

Now I need to figure out how to unsubscribe from the thread as I promised I would.

Cheers,

Namikis

 

[RobbyS]

Men and women are heterosexual without doing anything. The purpose of the sexual organs is to produce babies. Sowhat are you talking about?

 

[RobertLGarrett]

ok… just came back from the gym and had time to think about this a bit. I apologize for the judgmental tone of my posts on this topic. I hope they added some value. I enjoy reading perspectives on this, as my best friends are a gay couple struggling with their Catholicism.

Now I need to figure out how to unsubscribe from the thread as I promised I would.

Cheers,

Namikis

I’ve done it on a few that have gone off-topic and/or boring. When you click on “Profile,” a list of your subscribed threads with new changes will come up. They all have an “unsubscribe” link on them.

Pax,
Robert

 

[RobertLGarrett]

Indeed, but Christ wasn’t clear that homosexual behavior is a sin.

St. Paul seems pretty clear in his epistles, and he was fairly familiar with Christ’s teachings.

 

[YipYupYep]

ok… I enjoy reading perspectives on this, as my best friends are a gay couple struggling with their Catholicism.

The Catholic Church has its door open to all comers.

Now I need to figure out how to unsubscribe from the thread as I promised I would. Namikis

Sure, just go somewhere where everyone agrees with you.

 

[hadassahjones]

Is that how people become heterosexual?

No, because people are born heterosexual. That is how God made us, and that is the natural way of doing things. Everything, from the way our individual bodies are made to the fact that only that union can produce children, points to the rightness of hetero relationships.

Even if it were not a choice, it is still a sin. It doesn’t change simply because you want it to. I really really want premarital sex to not be a sin, but guess what—it is.

 

[cristininha]

No, because people are born heterosexual. That is how God made us, and that is the natural way of doing things. Everything, from the way our individual bodies are made to the fact that only that union can produce children, points to the rightness of hetero relationships.

Even if it were not a choice, it is still a sin. It doesn’t change simply because you want it to. I really really want premarital sex to not be a sin, but guess what—it is.

Everyone of us can only speak for their own bodies. People are born very similar to each other and yet they can be very different. We know that a sperm and an ovum can come together to become a new being, but that is not the only way a new being can come to life. The relationship between a man and a woman is to be praised, as many other relationships as well, but new human reproduction technologies are becoming available that will allow embryos to be created from single cells. I’d love to hear a message of love for all the people that will be born this way. Hopefully they’ll not be shunned or ridiculed by those who think they were conceived the wrong way.

 

[caudy]

Well, two out of three of your reasons are out of control of the person, so, really, it isn’t a choice to experience same sex attraction.

It is a choice on how to live one’s life. We are not guaranteed that all heterosexuals will find a life partner that they will live their lives with. Homosexuals are not permitted to have a life partner that involves sex. But, all single people are allowed/encouraged to live a fruitful life of service and friendship and loving (platonic) relationships with others.

The genetic argument is a distraction. It doesn’t matter how one finds oneself with their particular cross to bear. We are all fallen, and in need of salvation.

Hello, new to Catholic Answers. I agree that the genetic vs. environment argument is not relative to something being a sin or not. In likelyhood homosexuality is a combination of factors including a genetic propensity towards it. God endows all of us with a certain cross to bear during our lifetime, whether or not we choose to carry it or fall victim to it is up to us. An alcoholic doesn’t choose to be an alcoholic (I know), however that person CAN choose to not pick up a drink (or at least try and struggle through the power of recovery). The analogy to homosexuality being ok because one is born with it would be “I’m an alcoholic, God made me this way (which may be true) so it’s OK to drink in excess because if God didn’t want me to do it he wouldn’t have made me this way!”. Just like a homosexual must live chaste to inherit the kingdom of God, an alcoholic must live without the drink. I would also argue there is a genetic predisposition toward obesity with certain individuals but that does not make it OK to live a life of Gluttony.

We are ALL given some kind of cross to carry (some of us may have a heavier one than others), whether or not we carry it is up to us!

 

[tick_tock]

I’m new here too and have been contemplating a lot about gay relationships, what I feel etc. This is since:

a) I work in the field of equality

b) My brother entered such a relationship.

c) I married someone who is homophobic and not a christian.

I read today that a Q&A EWTN responder described such relationships as a result of having been brought up badly and the person chose to be Gay. This was stated as a fact.

I know that my brother certainly had no different upbringing then the rest of us and this was in a stable family environment (albeit none-christian). I also know that as an infant there were clear signs that this may turn out to be so, and some research has seen in other people who go on to be gay. How can a 2 year old start to choose to be gay?

These are the questions that I have pondered over, listening to narritives of gay friends and reflecting on my experiences at home.

Right or wrong, I have come to the conclusion that the people I have met appeared to be born like that. I know others feel differently.

I have reflected on whether it is easier to rebuke gay relationships with the ‘I’m a catholic’ stance or embrace with love the value of all human beings and the trials their life choices brings to us all.

I wondered about what I would do if my brother had a union ceremony (my husband does not agree with such things and would not go). Would I be seen to be supporting gay unions - would that be a sin? On the other hand, to not go would perhaps be a greater sin.

To attend a ceremony of another faith or no-faith does not mean we have to believe in that ritual or partake in the actual ceremony? (I would be content to watch and reflect on the commitment of love and support rather than the sexual side). I think it will be a challenge to understand this ‘love’ and the meaning of it - but to ignore it I think would be worse.

Lou

 

[RobertLGarrett]

Everyone of us can only speak for their own bodies. People are born very similar to each other and yet they can be very different. We know that a sperm and an ovum can come together to become a new being, but that is not the only way a new being can come to life. The relationship between a man and a woman is to be praised, as many other relationships as well, but new human reproduction technologies are becoming available that will allow embryos to be created from single cells. I’d love to hear a message of love for all the people that will be born this way. Hopefully they’ll not be shunned or ridiculed by those who think they were conceived the wrong way.

No one is “shunned or ridiculed” for the way they are conceived - not sure where you are getting that. The method (act) of human cloning you mention is illicit and a grave sin, but the human life produced will still be precious.

 

[fbl9]

(I would be content to watch and reflect on the commitment of love and support rather than the sexual side). I think it will be a challenge to understand this ‘love’ and the meaning of it - but to ignore it I think would be worse.

Lou

that is the extent at which i could support such"unions" the love and comittment if they loved one another with christian love they would not want to participate the sexual side of thier relationship.that is not saying they would not be tempted in this area though,so it could even be sinful for the two to particpate in such an union because perhaps it would put them in a near occasion to sin type thing.

 

[Kevin42]

that is the extent at which i could support such"unions" the love and comittment if they loved one another with christian love they would not want to participate the sexual side of thier relationship.that is not saying they would not be tempted in this area though,so it could even be sinful for the two to particpate in such an union because perhaps it would put them in a near occasion to sin type thing.

Fair enough, but I would say that two people living deciding to form a relationship as brothers do not need any sort of ceremony. To have a ceremony could possibly make a mockery of the sacrament of marriage. I’m not sure if that would be a wise thing to do.

 

[fbl9]

Fair enough, but I would say that two people living deciding to form a relationship as brothers do not need any sort of ceremony. To have a ceremony could possibly make a mockery of the sacrament of marriage. I’m not sure if that would be a wise thing to do.

This post is precisely my reservation on calling such relations “unions”…i do agree with you on the part about such “unions” making a mockery of the sacrement of Holy matrimony.