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justasking4
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What “verbal transmission of Traditions within the Church” are you referring to? Can you give me a couple of examples and who spoke them?
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Lampo
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What about the fact that it is part of Sacred Tradition?
“If the Holy Virgin had died and was buried, her falling asleep would have been surrounded with honour, death would have found her pure, and her crown would have been a virginal one…Had she been martyred according to what is written: ‘Thine own soul a sword shall pierce’, then she would shine gloriously among the martyrs, and her holy body would have been declared blessed; for by her, did light come to the world."
Epiphanius, Panarion, 78:23 (A.D. 377).
“[T]he Apostles took up her body on a bier and placed it in a tomb; and they guarded it, expecting the Lord to come. And behold, again the Lord stood by them; and the holy body having been received, He commanded that it be taken in a cloud into paradise: where now, rejoined to the soul, [Mary] rejoices with the Lord’s chosen ones…” Gregory of Tours, Eight Books of Miracles, 1:4 (inter A.D. 575-593).
“As the most glorious Mother of Christ, our Savior and God and the giver of life and immortality, has been endowed with life by him, she has received an eternal incorruptibility of the body together with him who has raised her up from the tomb and has taken her up to himself in a way known only to him.” Modestus of Jerusalem, Encomium in dormitionnem Sanctissimae Dominae nostrae Deiparae semperque Virginis Mariae (PG 86-II,3306),(ante A.D. 634).
“It was fitting …that the most holy-body of Mary, God-bearing body, receptacle of God, divinised, incorruptible, illuminated by divine grace and full glory …should be entrusted to the earth for a little while and raised up to heaven in glory, with her soul pleasing to God.” Theoteknos of Livias, Homily on the Assumption (ante A.D. 650).
“You are she who, as it is written, appears in beauty, and your virginal body is all holy, all chaste, entirely the dwelling place of God, so that it is henceforth completely exempt from dissolution into dust. Though still human, it is changed into the heavenly life of incorruptibility, truly living and glorious, undamaged and sharing in perfect life.” Germanus of Constantinople, Sermon I (PG 98,346), (ante A.D. 733).
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mercygate
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In our perfect hindsight we all recognize that *some aspects *of the inquisitions were deeply flawed in their approach to their task. The doctrine of Infallibility applies ONLY to the TEACHING authority of the Church. The Inquisitions did not teach “wrong” doctrine.
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sodak
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I hope that everyone reading this can see the obvious fallicies in these statements. Over and over, this poster refuses to accept the difference between doctrine, dogma, disciplines, and practices. Even after it has been patiently explained to him many times. This is not a misunderstanding, or a “just asking” or search for the truth.
These are part of an ongoing, continual attempt to attack the Catholic Church and the faith of Catholics on a Catholic forum right in front of you. There is no charity or willingness to have a discussion in these posts, they are cleverly worded to always be on the attack and to always be offensive to Catholics.
It is a stubborn and willfulness to ignore the Truth (at it’s best) or complicit with the demonic (at it’s worst).
Every reader can decide for themselves.
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mercygate
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In the first century, the Jewish canon was generally agreed upon but it was not set. The Saducees rejected all but the Pentateuch. The canon was not closed. I believe this is partly why the NT Church could refer to Paul’s writings as “scripture”. Not only was the canon still opent, but because of this, the word had not yet acquired the power it took on after the closing of the canon.
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mercygate
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, , , and they are not in Communion with the Bishop of Rome. They are Protestants from a Catholic culture and in Catholic costume.
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Lampo
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I could give you a partial list, yes. Why do you need one from me? You’ve been given numerous examples of Sacred Tradition throughout your two-year stint here on CAF. Do you believe the gates of Hell have prevailed against His Church? Do you agree with post #126?
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justasking4
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What do you think what “doctrine” the inquistions were working on? What doctrine were the popes using to justify them?
Do you think that as a catholic you have a responsiblity to listen carefully to what your priest, bishop or catholic prof says and teaches and if they are not in harmony with catholic doctrine you should hold them accountable in some fashion? ( I know this would be difficult to carry out to actually do something about it).
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mercygate
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There were many inquisitions in several countries. We still have the inquisition under the Holy Office. The business of that office is to deal with doctrinal abuses being promulgated by Catholics in public positions of teaching authority: professors, priests, bishops. You could look up the list of people whose theology has been challenged and whose work has received a monitum (warning) or who have been silenced by the HO over the past couple of decades. The HO walks a fine line to discern the borders of honest inquiry and outright dissent. They have a job on their hands to assure orthodox teaching without becoming oppressive/suppressive. I wouldn’t want the job.
There actually are systems in place to do this. As you note, it is difficult because nobody is trigger happy. Damned if you do; damned if you don’t.
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BHTech
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Friend you are still contradicting yourself. Be more specific. Baptists or Southern Baptists got it right doctrinally? Which is it?
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justasking4
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Southern baptist.
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BHTech
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I lieu of the fact that you have been given the answer to this question already, I am beginning to believe that your intention is either one of to feign ignorance or an attempt to frustrate posters.
Brent
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BHTech
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Southern Baptists have things right doctrinally you claim. Who else among the Protestants groups have things right doctrinally Justasking4?
Brent
Converts Den - members.shaw.ca/bmaundy/home.html
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Lampo
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Who got it right doctrinally before this faith tradition was founded in 1609?
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Pixie_Dust
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Hmm, the Southern Baptist Convention was started in May 1845 in Augusta, Georgia; following a split from the Triennial Baptist Convention which was established in the United States in 1814. Doesn’t sound like it was founded by Christ and His Apostles to me.
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BHTech
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Hang on guys. Let’s hear Justasking4 answer to the original question on who else (Protestant wise) is right doctrinally.
Brent
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justasking4
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Its not necessary for a church to be founded by an apostle but does that church teach what the apostles taught. That is what matters. In fact Tertullian and Gregory of Nazianzus taught this also.Hmm, the Southern Baptist Convention was started in May 1845 in Augusta, Georgia; following a split from the Triennial Baptist Convention which was established in the United States in 1814. Doesn’t sound like it was founded by Christ and His Apostles to me.
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justasking4
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What doctrines are you referring to? It helps to be specific.
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justasking4
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I’m asking for the proof for the “**verbal transmission **of Traditions within the Church”. How are you going to demonstrate for example what an apostle taught verbally if its not written down?
Can you do that?
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