SPLIT: Mary can't hear our prayers

[bluelake]

I think the Rosary is a lovely devotion. However,
Mary is not omnipresent. She cannot hear our prayers.
I do not object on the part shown in Lu.1:26 56
It is true all generations will call her blessed.

God bless,
bluelake

 

[Padraig1972]

I think the Rosary is a lovely devotion. However,
Mary is not omnipresent. She cannot hear our prayers.
I do not object on the part shown in Lu.1:26 56
It is true all generations will call her blessed.

God bless,
bluelake

Wrong. She can and does hear our prayers.

 

[mozier]

I think the Rosary is a lovely devotion. However,
Mary is not omnipresent. She cannot hear our prayers.
I do not object on the part shown in Lu.1:26 56
It is true all generations will call her blessed.

God bless,
bluelake

In answering this Lutheran, I post Karl Keating’s response to Boettner’s objection to praying to saints:

If being in heaven were like being in the next room, then of course these objections would be valid. A mortal, unglorified person in the next room would indeed suffer the restrictions imposed by the way space and time work in our universe. But the saints are not in the next room, and they are not subject to the time/space limitations of this life.

This does not imply that the saints in heaven therefore must be omniscient, as God is, for it is only through God’s willing it that they can communicate with others in heaven or with us. And Boettner’s argument about petitions arriving in different languages is even further off the mark. Does anyone really think that in heaven the saints are restricted to the King’s English? After all, it is God himself who gives the gift of tongues and the interpretation of tongues. Surely those saints in Revelation understand the prayers they are shown to be offering to God.

The problem here is one of what might be called a primitive or even childish view of heaven. It is certainly not one on which enough intellectual rigor has been exercised. A good introduction to the real implications of the afterlife may be found in Frank Sheed’s book Theology and Sanity, which argues that sanity depends on an accurate appreciation of reality, and that includes an accurate appreciation of what heaven is really like. And once that is known, the place of prayer to the saints follows.

 

[bluelake]

In answering this Lutheran, I post Karl Keating’s response to Boettner’s objection to praying to saints:

If being in heaven were like being in the next room, then of course these objections would be valid. A mortal, unglorified person in the next room would indeed suffer the restrictions imposed by the way space and time work in our universe. But the saints are not in the next room, and they are not subject to the time/space limitations of this life.

This does not imply that the saints in heaven therefore must be omniscient, as God is, for it is only through God’s willing it that they can communicate with others in heaven or with us. And Boettner’s argument about petitions arriving in different languages is even further off the mark. Does anyone really think that in heaven the saints are restricted to the King’s English? After all, it is God himself who gives the gift of tongues and the interpretation of tongues. Surely those saints in Revelation understand the prayers they are shown to be offering to God.

The problem here is one of what might be called a primitive or even childish view of heaven. It is certainly not one on which enough intellectual rigor has been exercised. A good introduction to the real implications of the afterlife may be found in Frank Sheed’s book Theology and Sanity, which argues that sanity depends on an accurate appreciation of reality, and that includes an accurate appreciation of what heaven is really like. And once that is known, the place of prayer to the saints follows.

mozier,
“this Lutheran’”?
That doesn’t sound very nice.

Your quoting what is found in books, but not the Bible.
Can you show me where this appears in the Bible? (Mary hears our prayers?)
The closest I have found is Heb.12. Verse 1 reads, “therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easlily entangles and let us run with the perserverance the race marked out for us.”

You may be correct, but I also pray the Rosary, The Lutheran Rosary.
The part which is in question , I pray, “Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.” I know God hears my prayers.

God bless,
bluelake

 

[bluelake]

Wrong. She can and does hear our prayers.

Thank you for your reply.
Can you tell me where you find this teaching.
I know God is omnipresent, but Mary is not. At least I haven’t read anything
that teaches this. Have you? Or is this only what you think?

God bless,
bluelake

 

[Jean_Anthony]

aaa

 

[Farsight001]

I think the Rosary is a lovely devotion. However,
Mary is not omnipresent. She cannot hear our prayers.
I do not object on the part shown in Lu.1:26 56
It is true all generations will call her blessed.

God bless,
bluelake

For what reason do you conclude that she cannot hear our prayers? I don’t think that’s in the bible. Scripture depicts conversations between heaven and earth all the time - even one between heaven and hell. In the bible, there are always angels involved, but I see no reason to conclude that they can while saints cannot.

 

[Jakesmom]

Mary hears all of our prayers, every time, all the time…amen!

 

[Randy_Carson]

I think the Rosary is a lovely devotion. However,
Mary is not omnipresent. She cannot hear our prayers.
I do not object on the part shown in Lu.1:26 56
It is true all generations will call her blessed.

God bless,
bluelake

She doesn’t have to be. God can make the prayers available to her, and since heaven is not bound by space or time, she has “all the time in the world” to listen to them.

 

[WFS5801]

Your quoting what is found in books, but not the Bible.
Can you show me where this appears in the Bible? (Mary hears our prayers?)
The closest I have found is Heb.12. Verse 1 reads, "therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easlily entangles and let us run with the perserverance the race marked out for us.

I think you need to go a little further into Hebrews 12:

*[22] But you are come to mount Sion, and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to the company of many thousands of angels, [23] And to the church of the firstborn, who are written in the heavens, and to God the judge of all, and to the spirits of the just made perfect, *

St. Paul is clearly putting “spirits of the just made perfect” into the same Church as the angels “who rejoice when a soul is saved.” So, why wouldn’t you think the “souls of the just made perfect” (the saints) couldn’t pray for their brothers and sisters on Earth?

Of course Catholics don’t have to rely on only on what’s in the Bible (which no Apostle ever claimed contained all the teachings of Christ), we have the full teaching passed down through the Apostles, and we also have the testimony to the miracles of the saints answering our prayers.

 

[pablope]

I think the Rosary is a lovely devotion. However,
Mary is not omnipresent. She cannot hear our prayers.
I do not object on the part shown in Lu.1:26 56
It is true all generations will call her blessed.

God bless,
bluelake

Yes, those in heaven can. What do you think those that are in heaven do in heaven?

Forgot the particular verse, I think in Matthew, which states that when in already in the Heavenly realm, those in heaven are like angels, get the attributes of angels. And since angels do God’s bidding, ergo, those souls in already in heaven do as the angels do, do God’s bidding and pray for us, thus hears our prayers too.

 

[Padraig1972]

Thank you for your reply.
Can you tell me where you find this teaching.
I know God is omnipresent, but Mary is not. At least I haven’t read anything
that teaches this. Have you? Or is this only what you think?

God bless,
bluelake

Try to pray the rosary, pray it slowly in a dark room, let the silence be total with white candles burning and you will see. Our Lady already back in the 14th century appeared in a vision to a man that daily made rosebouquets to a statue of Her and told him that She would appreciate a lot more if he said 50 ave Marias.

This was the beginning of the rosary and She told that if we recited these prayers daily She would listen to them and always be there for us with Her intensions.

 

[noobio]

She doesn’t have to be. God can make the prayers available to her, and since heaven is not bound by space or time, she has “all the time in the world” to listen to them.

If Mary can hear our prayers , would she know what is happening on earth? If she does know what is happening on earth wouldn’t that make her sad because sin is happening on earth. If you are sad in heaven it is not even heaven.

 

[DENNYINMI]

I think the Rosary is a lovely devotion. However,
Mary is not omnipresent. She cannot hear our prayers.
I do not object on the part shown in Lu.1:26 56
It is true all generations will call her blessed.

God bless,
bluelake

Yes, all generations do call her blessed…but biblically it should be noted too, prior Christs’ redeeming work…she was “full of grace”…amazing anyone had grace prior to the redemption of mankind…but her!

Look at the wedding at Cana…interesting, the intercession of Our Lady is seen, and many will attest to the fact…intercession is active today! If I asked you to pray for me, you might, and that is intercessory, which is a wonderful thing, Christ prayed for Peter, intercessory prayer is founded biblically!

The soul is immortal…the cloud of witnesses, continue to intercede for us believers, that believe that to “be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord”…as did St. Paul…and again, it is biblical!

Moving into a further step of the faith, many are invited to “meet the Mother”…and some have yet to be extended such a holy, mystical, and awesome invitation.

Hope it will happen for you!!!

 

[jediliz]

who better to take our prayers to Jesus than His Own Mother? She takes our prayers to her Son.

 

[FCEGM]

Thank you for your reply.
Can you tell me where you find this teaching.
I know God is omnipresent, but Mary is not. At least I haven’t read anything
that teaches this. Have you? Or is this only what you think?

God bless,
bluelake

Intercession while living on earth depends on being IN Christ, in a state of grace which sanctifies the soul, thus allowing the person to ask God something for someone else. But in Heaven, the person has the Beatific Vision of God and is united to Him “face to face” and “knows as he is known” and in a greater position to ask for someone else (since he does not need anything for himself). Therefore, to ask in Christ one of the Blessed to intercede for us is simply communicated to that someone by Christ since there is no other way that person could know what is going on down here except by being shown by Christ.

So in the Beatific Vision Christ, within Whom the Blessed are more - not less - in union, shows the Blessed the petitions of the brethren on earth, as in God all things are seen since God is All in all. This is not difficult for God to do. Thus we can know with absolute certainty that the Saints know the petitions addressed to them in Christ, A fortiori the Blessed Mother, who is the Mother of the whole Christ, the Head, and spiritually of the Body of the Faithful. We know this from the activity of the Church asking the Holy Mother constantly to intercede.

 

[FCEGM]

If Mary can hear our prayers , would she know what is happening on earth? If she does know what is happening on earth wouldn’t that make her sad because sin is happening on earth. If you are sad in heaven it is not even heaven.

Is God sad seeing what happens on earth?

 

[panevino]

If Mary can hear our prayers , would she know what is happening on earth? If she does know what is happening on earth wouldn’t that make her sad because sin is happening on earth. If you are sad in heaven it is not even heaven.

Thought this was relevant to your question

Rev6: 9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

 

[Tantum_ergo]

I think the Rosary is a lovely devotion. However,
Mary is not omnipresent. She cannot hear our prayers.
I do not object on the part shown in Lu.1:26 56
It is true all generations will call her blessed.

God bless,
bluelake

Is Mary in Heaven with Jesus?

If she is, is she somehow “apart” from Jesus, or she is joined to Him?

(read scripture VERY carefully. What does Scripture say about those in Heaven and their relationship to Christ?)

If she is indeed joined with Him, please tell us how she could AVOID hearing, seeing, or otherwise experiencing what Christ hears, sees, and experiences.

When we (please God) go to heaven, will WE be separated from Christ?
(What does St. Paul say about that?)

If we are not separated from Christ, will we ever be in a situation where we cannot hear, see, and experience Him? As such, would there ever be a situation where HE hears, sees, etc. and we WOULD NOT?? Please give the Scripture and oral teaching to demonstrate that any person ‘with Christ’ would be ‘apart from Christ’ with no idea of what is going on with Christ in heaven. . .

 

[Verbum]

Hi Frances,

Thank you for that explanation. The blessed see God and therefore, all their knowledge comes from God; Our prayers are “relayed” to them in the beatific vision.

Verbum