SPLIT: Mary can't hear our prayers

[GreggAlvarez]

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However, Mary is not omnipresent. She cannot hear our prayers.

This limits God’s omnipotence. Either He cannot let those in Heaven hear our prayers OR He does not want to. As it is part of God’s will that saints actually here our prayers (Rev 5:8), neither of those are applicable.

Mary’s being able to hear us has nothing to do with her own strength. It has everything to do with God’s. Mary is not a goddess as some people falsely assume.

So, “Mary is not omnipresent” by her own strength. But, she can hear our prayers (as well as the other saints).

Where in the Bible does it state that nobody in Heaven can hear our prayers?

 

[GreggAlvarez]

Your quoting what is found in books, but not the Bible.

That may be so, but reason and logic are good tools to discern what is true and untrue. Hence, the Holy Trinity for example… It states in a not-so-obvious way, but in the light of faith-illumined reason, we can correctly determine that God is both One and Three. Sure, there are some parts of it that boggle our minds, but so do other things.

Anyway, my point is that implicitness can be just as good in this conversation in the Bible. Reason and faith help each other.

In any case, Revelations 5:8 is good enough to know that saints in Heaven do hear the prayers of the holy ones on Earth.

Can you show me where this appears in the Bible? (Mary hears our prayers?)

We can rightly assume that Mary is in Heaven.

Revelations 5:8 ~ Each of the elders [fell down before the Lamb and] held a harp and gold bowls filled with incense, which are the prayers of the holy ones.

Pretty safe to say that those in Heaven can hear us… as the context in this chapter is in Heaven.

The closest I have found is Heb.12. Verse 1 reads, “therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easlily entangles and let us run with the perserverance the race marked out for us.”

Does this say that those in Heaven cannot hear us? If so, please educate me. If not, why post it?

You may be correct, but I also pray the Rosary, The Lutheran Rosary.

I am sure it is great.

The part which is in question , I pray, “Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.” I know God hears my prayers.

This is the problem with your post: God hearing our prayers is not the problem. We all know that. The part in question is whether or not Mary hears our prayers. Either we believe that God separates his faithful from the faithful in Heaven, or He keeps them united in a transcendent, yet immanent, way.

I know God and everybody else in Heaven can and do hear our prayers.

 

[jediliz]

I wanted to point out that almost all the mysteries of the rosary, except for two, focus on jesus’ life (annunciation is his conception, visitation is when his cousin “meets” him before his birth)…Starts with his conception, continues with his ministry (luminous) and concludes with his passion, death and resurrection and ascension.

 

[stargazer257]

I think the Rosary is a lovely devotion. However,
Mary is not omnipresent. She cannot hear our prayers.
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God bless,
bluelake

bluelake,

Can you tell us where it says in the Bible that Mary cannot hear our prayers?

 

[GraceDK]

It doesn’t matter whether you think you’re invoking the saints or not. If you pray to Christ, you pray to the Body of Christ also. The saints are in the Body, so if you pray to Christ you pray to them.

It’d like saying, “I want to have a conversation with your brain, but I won’t let your ear listen or your mouth speak to me.” Wouldn’t work.

Of course, with the saints vs. Christ, it’s more like ‘I can’t talk to you without including your skin and hair in the conversation’, in relative power terms – but He doesn’t deal with us on terms of power. He loves us. We are His friends and His siblings. Why would He want the saints to be excluded from the conversation? He makes us like Him; therefore He delegates power to the saints and lets them work through Him to assist those of us still on earth. He is in them and they are in Him.

I dont like your logic.
Christ is a Person distinct from us, and it will remain like that.
If you want the unity to the extent you speak of then you should check out eastern religions which teach the annihilation of all differences and the sucking up of the individual into the all.
When I speak to Christ in my heart I assure you it is between me and Him only.

As for the whole topic. I have no problem with people praying to Mary. She is blessed among all women, but those who don’t pray to her, do not have to worry about it.
Everything is through and in and with God. He is the source of everything good.

 

[Church_Militant]

Where’d you go Blue?

 

[Brendan]

Thank you for your reply.
Can you tell me where you find this teaching.
I know God is omnipresent, but Mary is not. At least I haven’t read anything
that teaches this. Have you? Or is this only what you think?

God bless,
bluelake

Where is the requirement that she be omnipresent to hear prayers?

By definition, there are a finite number of people, saying a finite number of rosaries within a finite space.

No need at all for omnipresence. Mary, being a finite person is accomplishing a finite action.

That is certainly within the bounds of human nature, especially since Christ has told us what can be accomplished with Faith in He who Strenghens Us.

I have a question for you.

Do you believe that the Devil can temp many people all at once. He is, of course, not omnipresent either, but simply a fallen angel.

Do you belive that the saints in Heaven have more, or less, power than angels?