No. Part of the efficacy of the sacraments is using the proper form. Wine must be used. This is also why you can’t baptize someone in jello, for example.
You also must remember that this is all tied to the Passover. It is why we use only unleavened bread and wine as these were the elements that Jesus used. The Jews, including Jesus, would never use something in place of those elements prescribed to be used at the Passover. Not only that, but He commanded us to do as He did, not whatever might be convenient at the moment.
Nope! If that is the case,then why not use a 12 pack of Budweiser and buffalo wings?
Hope that you mean it’s “fine” in that if it’s merely symbolic, it’s fine.
Nothing you could do could stop the great love God has for you. But why would you Church use Grape Juice? I think I would ask the preacher why. Then when he gave me a answer I would ask then why Did Jesus say Wine? Then I would ask my favorite Protestant line. Where does it say that in the bible
God loves even those who will find themselves in hell some day. He died for them also. The fact that God loves all of mankind does give us license to do whatever we will. No, its not fine. It is ignorance of the truth.
Pretty much the last thing he did too. Thats why its called the Last Supper
Nope! Where would any Priest ordained or not have the right to over power God’s word. Jesus said Bread and wine. Remember we didn’t make the rules, the Priest only takes a vow to keep the rules
**Presbyterian churches always use grape juice…it’s completely symbolic, there is no changing grape juice etc to the body and blood of Christ. It’s not a sacrament…and I’m sure God loves you anyway…why wouldn’t he?
Ok let me get this straight. You’re saying that Jesus can only be present in wine and not grape juice correct?
God loves every human being in existence, which is not the issue. No the Presbyterian Church does not have valid sacrament of the Eucharist, because they do not have ordained priests in the line of apostolic confession who have that authority from Christ to confect the Eucharist. No grape juice is not valid matter for Eucharist even if consecrated by a priest. Christ instituted the Eucharist at the last supper using bread and wine, and Christ instituted the sacrificial priesthood. He calls the shots. He could have used anything he wanted, but he did not, he used those elements because they were essentials in the Passover meal which was the context for the sacrament. No power on earth can change what Christ instituted.
Lotsta people do. It is the home based church of the NFL.
No, Jesus can be present however He chooses. He chose to use wine, and commanded that we do so.
His Supper has it’s roots in the Passover, which uses wine. The NT is the fulfillment of the OT.
He can be. He chooses to be more present at certain times and places. He commanded us to eat His Body and Drink His blood, then at the last supper, He took the cup (wine) blessed it and said “this is my Blood, which is poured out for you”. He did not pour out grape juice for the sins of the world, but His Blood.
This is the way He set things up. A valid Eucharist is one at which the bishop (or his representative) is present.
The HS is the one who transforms the elements, rev kev. It would be disobedient and sacriligious for a priest to desecrate the sacrament by using improper matter such as grape juice. The presbyter is to conduct the anamnesis according to the manner that Christ prescribed.
No. He is always present in the sacrament. that does not mean He is not present at other times. The sacraments are channels of grace through which He works to touch our lives, and draw us closer to Himself. He can use other methods as well.
I don’t think you could lose the love of the Lord, just because your church uses grape juice…
The question is whether this fruit of the vine (a.k.a. grape juice) was fermented or not. That is an ongoing debate, but I don’t see the problem with taking it either way.