SPLIT: Questions Catholics Will Not Answer.

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To be baptized means that you are first a Christian i.e. one who has believed in and confessed Christ and has eternal spiritual value. Circumcision on the other hand was the sign of ethnic identity.
Not at all - it was (and still is) a sign of faith identity. From the moment he is circumcised, the Jewish child is expected to believe and follow all the laws and teachings of Covenant into which he has been initiated.

Ethnicity cannot be applied externally,after birth - it has to be inherited through the genes.
 
Since i’m not a catholic i don’t know. What does the catholic say?
Anyone who dies in a state of grace but not yet perfect goes to Purgatory, regardless of what religion they practiced during their lifetime.
 
Mannyfit75;3243795]Are Catholic scholars the ordinary Magisterium? I don’t think so. The Magisterium is the Bishop in union with the Pope. Scholars can discuss issues and may disagree but they are have no authority to proclaim things dogmatic. That is the only problem you don’t seem to grasp.
I’ve got a lot problems…:o Now tell me where your church i.e. the
Magisterium is the Bishop in union with the Pope have infallibly interpreted Revelations 12 for example?
The Church affirms that woman in Revelation 12:1-5 is the Church, Israel, Eve, and Mary. None of which is wrong. Scholars can disagree but like I said they have no authority. Only the Church does.
Where can i find this in offical church documents that affirms this by Magisterium is the Bishop in union with the Pope?
The one who is right is the Church. Unless you can prove to me that the male child in Revelation 12:1-5 is not Jesus then you can say that the woman is not Mary. However, you have not proven you case period and therefore you failed in your thesis.
The male child is no doubt Jesus. John seems to be using metaphors throughout this letter and the women is best to be understood as not Mary as catholic scholars have pointed out. Unless you can show that the Magisterium itself has interepreted this passage then you don’t know with any certainity how to understand this passage.
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What protestant church do you know of that does not believe Christ was God in the flesh and died for the sins of mankind?
None. Generally speaking all Christians believe that in the fullness of time, God took on our nature and became man and died for our sins.

So you agree there are some agreements among protestants?
 
Not at all - it was (and still is) a sign of faith identity. From the moment he is circumcised, the Jewish child is expected to believe and follow all the laws and teachings of Covenant into which he has been initiated.

Ethnicity cannot be applied externally,after birth - it has to be inherited through the genes.
What spirtual benefits are spelled out in the OT for being circumcised?
 
Where can i find this in offical church documents that affirms this by Magisterium is the Bishop in union with the Pope?
Do a search on vatican.va for “Mary” and then click on all of the documents that pop up - by the time you’re done, you’ll have plenty of them. 🙂
The male child is no doubt Jesus.
Okay. Now put on your thinking cap. If the male child is Jesus, then what time frame are we looking at? (The time of His birth, right?)

Now, at the time of His birth, what woman was it that gave birth to Jesus? (Mary, right?)

What happened right after He was born? (Mary had to flee to Egypt with Jesus to escape from King Herod, who was seeking to devour Him with the sword, right?)

Okay, now in the light of these facts, take another, fresh look at Revelation 12. What do you see happening, there?
 
I’ve got a lot problems…:o Now tell me where your church i.e. the
Magisterium is the Bishop in union with the Pope have infallibly interpreted Revelations 12 for example?
They have not defined. However, Scripture has to be interpreted in the light of the teaching of the Catholic Church.
Where can i find this in offical church documents that affirms this by Magisterium is the Bishop in union with the Pope?
There has been priest who have said that the woman in Revelation 12:1-5 is Mary.

The male child is no doubt Jesus. John seems to be using
metaphors throughout this letter and the women is best to be understood as not Mary as catholic scholars have pointed out. Unless you can show that the Magisterium itself has interepreted this passage then you don’t know with any certainity how to understand this passage.
Did the Church gave birth to Jesus? Nope. The Church was born out of the side of Christ. Not the other way around. Mary gave birth to Jesus not the Church.

Just think of this logically? You claim the male-child is Jesus, but you willing deny the woman in Revelation 12:1-5 is not Mary? Who is the only human female who gave birth to Jesus? For crying out loud?** If you cannot answer this, you are either stupid, and don’t think logically**.
None. Generally speaking all Christians believe that in the fullness of time, God took on our nature and became man and died for our sins.
So you agree there are some agreements among protestants?
Some but its not unified belief because some do not believe in infant baptism. There are some AOG who baptize their infants and put the importance of baptism.
 
jmcrae;3243838]
Originally Posted by justasking4
What protestant church do you know of that does not believe Christ was God in the flesh and died for the sins of mankind?
jmcrae;
The United Church of Canada.
i went to this website and scan it and didn’t see any rejection of what i mention above. Can you show me where you think that they don’t believe Christ died or was God in the flesh?
 
What spirtual benefits are spelled out in the OT for being circumcised?
He shares in the faith of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He is a Jew. He is bound by the law of Moses, and privileged to be among God’s chosen people.
 
Mannyfit75;3243854]
Originally Posted by justasking4
I’ve got a lot problems… Now tell me where your church i.e. the
Magisterium is the Bishop in union with the Pope have infallibly interpreted Revelations 12 for example?
Mannyfit75
They have not defined. However, Scripture has to be interpreted in the light of the teaching of the Catholic Church.
i’m confused. Catholics claim that the only ones who have the authority to interpret scripture is the church and individuals are not to. Protestants have no right to interpret the scriptures.
If i understand this correctly how is it you or any catholic can interpret any scriptures if your church has not already done so?
How can you tell me that the woman in Revelations 12 is Mary if they have not defined the passage?
 
i’m confused. Catholics claim that the only ones who have the authority to interpret scripture is the church and individuals are not to. Protestants have no right to interpret the scriptures.
If i understand this correctly how is it you or any catholic can interpret any scriptures if your church has not already done so?
How can you tell me that the woman in Revelations 12 is Mary if they have not defined the passage?
Yes I can tell you because the MALE CHILD IS JESUS CHRIST! Who gave Birth to Jesus literally? This is easy interpretation for Pete’s sake.
 
What protestant church do you know of that does not believe Christ was God in the flesh and died for the sins of mankind?
You would have to define protestant.
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Noun 1. Jehovah’s Witnesses - Protestant denomination founded in the United States by Charles Taze Russell in 1884
They do not believe Jesus was God.
 
Yes I can tell you because the MALE CHILD IS JESUS CHRIST!

Who gave Birth to Jesus literally?
i agree with this. My point is how are you able to arrive at the correct understanding of this point without the Magesterium to tell you?
 
i agree with this. My point is how are you able to arrive at the correct understanding of this point without the Magesterium to tell you?
Because Revelation 12:1-5 speaks of a male child who will rule all nations with an iron rod. The Catholic Church affirms that Jesus will rule all nations with an iron rod. Second, in the passage the child was taken up to heaven and to his throne. Base on our Creed. We believe that Jesus ascended into heaven and is sitteth at the Right Hand of the Father.

With our core doctrine defined. We can firmly believe and proclaimed that the woman in Revelation 12:1-5 is Mary because the woman gave birth to a male child. I based this answer on the the official Creed of the Catholic Church which is recited at Mass Daily. The Creed which I speak of is the Nicene Creed.
 
Mousey;3243873]
Originally Posted by justasking4
What protestant church do you know of that does not believe Christ was God in the flesh and died for the sins of mankind?
Mousey
You would have to define protestant.
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i would say any church that believes in the Scriptures as the only spiritual foundation for Christians. More could be said.
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Noun 1. Jehovah’s Witnesses - Protestant denomination founded in the United States by Charles Taze Russell in 1884
They do not believe Jesus was God.
They are not considered protestants but a cult.
 
i went to this website and scan it and didn’t see any rejection of what i mention above. Can you show me where you think that they don’t believe Christ died or was God in the flesh?
Here is the teaching schedule for the adult Sunday School for this year at the church that I left in order to become a Catholic.

If you don’t see any problems with it, or if it’s in accord with your beliefs, that’s fine, but it’s way different than what my Plymouth Brethren friend believes in. 🤷
 
Yes I can tell you because the MALE CHILD IS JESUS CHRIST! Who gave Birth to Jesus literally? This is easy interpretation for Pete’s sake.
Who gives you the authority to say this though? I’m constantly challenged by this authority claim when it comes to my understanding of scripture. I’m asking you what yours is since your church has never defined this passage for you.
 
i agree with this. My point is how are you able to arrive at the correct understanding of this point without the Magesterium to tell you?
Because the Magesterium gives us the boundaries around the information that guide us to the correct interpretation. By looking at what the Magesterium does define, we can logically deduce, using our brains, what the meaning of the text is. Keep in mind, you can never come up with an interpretation of any text that contradicts anything that the Magesterium has already defined - if you do, then you’re on the wrong track.
 
Here is the teaching schedule for the adult Sunday School for this year at the church that I left in order to become a Catholic.

If you don’t see any problems with it, or if it’s in accord with your beliefs, that’s fine, but it’s way different than what my Plymouth Brethren friend believes in. 🤷
No wonder you left. When a church sponsers people like Spong and John Dominic Crossan that is the time to flee…👍
 
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