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SedesDomi
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I recommend this one.
SPLIT: What is your opinion of the Quran and other religious books?
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schaick
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Hope you report back with what you find.
In Islam Mohammad is considered the example of the one to follow. His example can be found in hadith. Also look into sharia law.
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GaryTaylor
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FIrst the Quran I think is a testament to Mohammad and a facinating leader and General who was able to overcome many difficult obstacles. I see the mans state of mind as I read through the pages in times of war, and in times of peace. But I don’t believe its Divine nor do I believe its the last testament and final word of God.
The Final word of God is yet to be spoken in regards to mankind. The God of Abraham would want all his followers to live as Jesus Christ spoke, in harmony, love and compassion. War, violence and power and the idea to defeat and overcome by these means doesn’t fit in the evolved message of God. Until God speaks in person again to man, we must put this destructive demonic thoughts to rest through Prayer to God and his intercession.
The OT and NT are factually sound. One need only to study Israel in history then read the OT and prepare to be amazed. Its so accurate its stunning. The fact the Jesus Christ was able to bring a concept of Love to mankind is also amazing. He inspired entire societies to incorporate compassion and mercy into their culture. He redefined the standard of morality. He not only changed the course of nations; He bought and unexplainable measure of purpose, peace, and happiness into the lives of hundreds of millions of individuals. The will, the wonder of this truly divine and truly human individual leaves one profoundly lacking complete understanding, as only God could do. Here I see a glimpse into the mind of God. And how He evolves His word as man evolves in time. The fact that man couldn’t comprehend what was spoken in the NT, back in OT times is not surprizing. We would not be able but a few to comprehend the words spoken by God in 4000 years from now. The constant refinement of Christs word and world is well done in the Catholic Church. Its no mystery to me God works through that church, its His church.
I find gems of truth in Hindu and Buddism also. Its hard to ignore that the Hindu faith has existed as long as it has and the amount of violence is void. Its safe to say that there is truth and understanding here yet to be fully understood. Its not hard to read the words of many of the Hindu prophets and see a deep understanding of the self, a level which I find few in modern mankind able to reach, especially today in the civil world of the west.
I have a Buddist friend who was a Prof. of mine in college. We have remained very close friends since then. He is one of the most humble individuals I have ever has the pleasure to meet. And he is a 5-degree Black Belt. Again the conversations never drift to religion but to overcoming the self to attain knowledge of an existing spiritual world the self blinds us from being witness to it. When one walks in love, peace and compassion for all life and the world gave us, its pretty difficult to dismiss these souls, their to testament to life is very strong for all to see.
I believe the spiritual world is the battle of good and evil. We are caught in the middle of it and given a choice through free will to chose a side. What is important to us in our minds in many case’s makes the choice for us. There are some very good souls in all these religions who are not on the demonic side. Untill a greater spiritual understanding is given to us from above, we must follow a path of love peace and understanding. Anything contrary to this is of the dark side.
God Bless, Gary
The Final word of God is yet to be spoken in regards to mankind. The God of Abraham would want all his followers to live as Jesus Christ spoke, in harmony, love and compassion. War, violence and power and the idea to defeat and overcome by these means doesn’t fit in the evolved message of God. Until God speaks in person again to man, we must put this destructive demonic thoughts to rest through Prayer to God and his intercession.
The OT and NT are factually sound. One need only to study Israel in history then read the OT and prepare to be amazed. Its so accurate its stunning. The fact the Jesus Christ was able to bring a concept of Love to mankind is also amazing. He inspired entire societies to incorporate compassion and mercy into their culture. He redefined the standard of morality. He not only changed the course of nations; He bought and unexplainable measure of purpose, peace, and happiness into the lives of hundreds of millions of individuals. The will, the wonder of this truly divine and truly human individual leaves one profoundly lacking complete understanding, as only God could do. Here I see a glimpse into the mind of God. And how He evolves His word as man evolves in time. The fact that man couldn’t comprehend what was spoken in the NT, back in OT times is not surprizing. We would not be able but a few to comprehend the words spoken by God in 4000 years from now. The constant refinement of Christs word and world is well done in the Catholic Church. Its no mystery to me God works through that church, its His church.
I find gems of truth in Hindu and Buddism also. Its hard to ignore that the Hindu faith has existed as long as it has and the amount of violence is void. Its safe to say that there is truth and understanding here yet to be fully understood. Its not hard to read the words of many of the Hindu prophets and see a deep understanding of the self, a level which I find few in modern mankind able to reach, especially today in the civil world of the west.
I have a Buddist friend who was a Prof. of mine in college. We have remained very close friends since then. He is one of the most humble individuals I have ever has the pleasure to meet. And he is a 5-degree Black Belt. Again the conversations never drift to religion but to overcoming the self to attain knowledge of an existing spiritual world the self blinds us from being witness to it. When one walks in love, peace and compassion for all life and the world gave us, its pretty difficult to dismiss these souls, their to testament to life is very strong for all to see.
I believe the spiritual world is the battle of good and evil. We are caught in the middle of it and given a choice through free will to chose a side. What is important to us in our minds in many case’s makes the choice for us. There are some very good souls in all these religions who are not on the demonic side. Untill a greater spiritual understanding is given to us from above, we must follow a path of love peace and understanding. Anything contrary to this is of the dark side.
God Bless, Gary
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Amir_the_Masihi
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The most commonly used versions are the translations by Yusuf Ali, M. Pickthall and Hilali-Khan. The translation by Shakir has some controversy surrounding it. Also, if by notations you mean commentary on the Qur’an, there’s a whole science dedicated to it called tafsir.
However, you will not get the full picture of Islam by looking at the Qur’an alone. You must also look at the ahadith.
Good luck.
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jakasaki
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Searchtruth.com has the entire koran in English plus many other languages, by various translators - it also has the tafsirs attached as well as all of the hadiths.
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contentedself
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Be carefull which hadith or books of narrations you look at. A lot have been tampered with.The most commonly used versions are the translations by Yusuf Ali, M. Pickthall and Hilali-Khan. The translation by Shakir has some controversy surrounding it. Also, if by notations you mean commentary on the Qur’an, there’s a whole science dedicated to it called tafsir.
However, you will not get the full picture of Islam by looking at the Qur’an alone. You must also look at the ahadith.
Good luck.
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contentedself
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You cannot just read a translation of the Quran and expect to understand it. That is an impossibility. First you need to learn the Quranic sciences: Logic, Islamic Theosophy,Exegesis, Theology (islamic doctrines), the Qur’an’s history, how it was revealed, the reasons that prompted revelations, how it was compiled, by whom and when, its preservation through the ages, the variations in its readings, the classification of verses into various categories such as abrogating (nasikh) verses vs. abrogated (mansukh) verses, and so forth. You need a basic knowledge of arabic and its grammar:
- Grammar (Nahw)
- Syntax/Morphology (Sarf)
- Rhetoric (Balagha)
- Vocabulary Building
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LaFleurDeLis
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I know I’m not going to understand it by just reading it. I want to look into all aspects of Islam.
Thanks for all the recommendations. Once I’m done with school for the semester, I plan on starting my study of Islam.
In God’s Grace,
LaFleurDeLis
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contentedself
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schaick
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That is a HOOT!!
LOL!! So allah choose the final message for all of man to be writtrn in a language only arabs understand!?
LOL! Not to hard to understand how it was compiled- Completely out of context of time by lenthg of chapters.
LOL! There were many, many versions Uthmann collected all of them and burned he ones he didn’t agree with.
LOL! No abrogation in the Quran but some of the verses are better then the others!
LOL! Last but not least LOGIC!
OH!! I’ve got to stop and catch my breath- way too funny!
Pray for Muslims they are caught in a violent cult that condones their death if they leave it.
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Amir_the_Masihi
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Yes, contended is right.
For those beginners looking at the ahadith, you really should stay with Bukhari and Muslim and then go on to the less “reputable” books such as Abu Dawud. However, a lot of those narrations are based on Islamic rituals (e.g. how something should be done), so expect a lot of wading through narrations which your average non-Muslim really wouldn’t care about… Also, there are 40 ‘Hadith Qudsi’, which are basically the words of Allah outside of the Qur’an.
So, as can be seen, there is a lot to do for those who simply want to get a “basic” view of Islam. Therefore, I recommend for those short on time to get the Islam/Koran for Dummies or Teach Yourself Islam books as they go over the basics of everything, from the Qur’an, history, rituals to the ahadith.
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duneman
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Quran is disrespectful to women’s rights !!
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