Interesting ask - it does not matter if it is out of topic or not but what this request does with immediate effect is to compel me to admit ignorance and initiate me to go and find the information you request. If you find this information before me, will you share it likewise. I thank you in advance.
First of all the Baptist church as we know it was not founded until the 17th Century. Second the Bereans were Jews that Paul ministered to in the book of Acts who “searched the Scriptures daily to find out if these things were true”. The scriptures they searched were what we know as the Old Testament since the New Testament had not been published or even written at the time of Paul. The New Testament is actually a Catholic book
well as previously mentioned, i will have to verify what you say and i would be very grateful if you can give me a citation/ link for this information.First of all the Baptist church as we know it was not founded until the 17th Century. Second the Bereans were Jews that Paul ministered to in the book of Acts who “searched the Scriptures daily to find out if these things were true”. The scriptures they searched were what we know as the Old Testament since the New Testament had not been published or even written at the time of Paul. The New Testament is actually a Catholic book
I have one question. Does this person whoever they are, declare the eucharist to be the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ.
Dear Bro Dary B (if i am allowed to call you brother)
Hi my friend, brother. The reason I ask this question is not to start a new thread, it is to continue the existing one. It might sound off topic but it is not, because you cannot have a link to the first century believer without the Catholic Church. I have no problem with tradition, and I believe the Church has been given privy information because Jesus Christ is working working working in that Church because it is His, not ours.
Incidentally that person was not you, it was the whoever they are historical person. I should have perhaps said that first rather than as a second.
Thank you for that and i am honoured to ejoy both friend and brother status with you. thank you for this. I will do some searching to find out what there is to know about this but can i ask that you please comment on the arguement i am putting for Tradition. This was developed based on this thread
First I would like to say that it is good that you are at least curious about what the Catholic Church believes and teaches.
One very good and very readable reference is a booklet published by Catholic Answers called “Pillar of Fire/Pillar of Truth”. It has only about 3o pages but it is excellent as a digest of Catholic teaching. As to the Bereans that Paul preached to and they “searched the Scriptures diligently” that reference is Acts 17:10-13. Acts 17:10 said that Paul preached to them in a synagogue (a Jewish house of worship). A good reference on the web is www.churchmilitant.tv. In addition to short daily programs called “The Vortex” they have also produced a wide variety of videos on Church teachings, history, etc. The Vatican itself is another good online reference at www.vatican.va. I can’t forget www.ewtn.com that is operated by the Eternal Word Television Network and also Catholic Answers where you are right now. I don’t want to overwhelm you but there are gobs of good Catholic links and references on the web alone. I hope something here helps.An interesting thing about the Bereans is that there is no actual record that they converted. I think that is significant, because in Acts you have a whole lot of yes’s and a whole lot of no’s, but the Bereans don’t seem to have done either, they were the we’ll-think-about-it’s.
and it will be quite a honor to have you eat with us at table brother!
That is something that has bugged the bejiggers out of me about so much of the New Testament especially Acts. There are so many places where it is left up to us to try and speculate what happened next. Whether a person ever converted or not, or who it was who ran off naked when Jesus was captured in the Garden, or why the Gospel of John was seemingly written in the third person, or just what was meant when someone was exhorted to “believe on the Lord and thou shall be saved” or how the gate to the prison was opened on its own so Peter could walk out past the guards, or when Jesus was about to be thrown over a cliff at Nazareth and he suddenly just walked away from the crowd. See what I’m saying?
Yes I see what you are saying. My understanding of the Berean’s is that they are highly regarded by the protestant sola scriptura movement as a model of par excellence. But they obviously didn’t know scripture well enough to know whether these things were true that they would have to search them and there is no indicator that they ever said yes. Compared to the many people who said yes in Acts, I would think these were more a model of excellence than the Bereans.That is something that has bugged the bejiggers out of me about so much of the New Testament especially Acts. There are so many places where it is left up to us to try and speculate what happened next. Whether a person ever converted or not, or who it was who ran off naked when Jesus was captured in the Garden, or why the Gospel of John was seemingly written in the third person, or just what was meant when someone was exhorted to “believe on the Lord and thou shall be saved” or how the gate to the prison was opened on its own so Peter could walk out past the guards, or when Jesus was about to be thrown over a cliff at Nazareth and he suddenly just walked away from the crowd. See what I’m saying?
Interesting concept that I had never thought of. I know from my experience as a Protestant that the Bereans were highly regarded as a model to be followed. One other thing I didn’t see was that the only Scriptures people had in those days were what we know as the Old Testament. Our New Testament was not even put together for another some 400 years. It could be that some of those in Berea may have “gotten it” and converted but we don’t know if all of them did. Even today there are people that have access to the Bible, a church on every corner, religious books ad infinitum but still may not be knowledgeable as to how to follow Jesus in any meaningful way. Surprisingly this even includes some CLERGY!
Acts 17:11 - Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.Interesting concept that I had never thought of. I know from my experience as a Protestant that the Bereans were highly regarded as a model to be followed. One other thing I didn’t see was that the only Scriptures people had in those days were what we know as the Old Testament. Our New Testament was not even put together for another some 400 years. It could be that some of those in Berea may have “gotten it” and converted but we don’t know if all of them did. Even today there are people that have access to the Bible, a church on every corner, religious books ad infinitum but still may not be knowledgeable as to how to follow Jesus in any meaningful way. Surprisingly this even includes some CLERGY!
I hope you remember that the Word of God is Jesus Christ and not scripture.
It has been said that in Catholicism even the buildings are designed to “Preach” to you! Starting with the threshold you cross when you enter. It speaks of leaving this world and its cares behind even for a few minutes and entering into God’s Presence (which is spoken of through the red candle above the altar).The stained glass windows can “speak” even to those unable to read because they depict in picture form scenes from the Gospel. The Crucifix with the crucified Jesus on it tells of the immense price God paid to save our souls and how ugly sin really is. The statues are like family “portraits” that depict heroes and heroines of the Catholic “family” our ancestors in the faith who have gone before us.
please give citation for the assertion that noble character meant that they could read and write. I also want to check with you since noble character was used to describe the brereans only, does that mean that the brereans were the only ones who could read and write? i do mean to be difficult, i just want some clarification.
I’m sorry i can’t give you any citation because i was assuming that one of the attributes of their nobility was the ability to read.its a fair assumption since it is confirmed they actually could read because they examined the scriptures themselves unlike in Thessalonica where it is Paul who had to explain the scriptures to the thessalonicans(Acts 17:1-3).