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This maybe out of the topic but can i ask if you can give me a “Berean Baptist” Name who was present during the council of carthage or council of nicea when the bible was finalized? so that I can search what was his point of view during that time on how the considered the Bible books to be INSPIRED.
Ladies and Gentlemen and if you permit me Brothers and Sisters,
At this point i think it would be good for us to do a quick stock take of our discussion. The original discussion is around the statement “JESUS is not found outside the church” and whilst in this discussion, i have noticed that the the church in this context refers to the Catholic Church exclusively (please correct me if i understood this to be wrong). To this part of the discussion i did not comment further as i thought that the original discussion would become diluted with other discussions and therefore result in new unresolved positions. Yes, i did detect that the discussions suddenly took on a new focus and that is regarding Sola Scriptura versus Scrripture together with Church Authority and Tradition.
At this junction, i would like to propose the following way forward for your consideration/ comment.
Now the other conversation regarding Solar Scripture versus Scripture and Tradition/ Church Authority. I must admit that one arguement that asked my resposne is still not clear in my mind and therefore i took the most dangerous route and based my response on what i assumed to be the question. I hope that the individual help me find clarification in what he/ she was asking me to respond on.
- That while the original discussion was around the statement “JESUS is not found outside the Church” there seems to have been a little but significant shift from this point to a point that JESUS could be found to some extent outside the Church but not fully.
- An arguement on the scripture “Where two or three are gathered in my name, there am i in their midst” is estaablished as the spoken words of JESUS. Howvere, this cannot be read in isolation. It must be read with Tradition (Capital T) in order for us to establish a much more acurate context. It was also stated that the reference of this text is about JESUS speaking about HIMSELF and in no way suggests that even if HE is there, the two or three will still not find HIM. It was also stated that the two or three does not constitute a church.
NOw there was a strong argument put forward in that Scripture before it was bedded down as scripture was once Tradition. This implies that all scripture was once Tradition (again i hope i have not misunderstood the (name removed by moderator)ut of some comments made in this thread - thank GOD for Threads - we can always go back and check our understanding). Based on this, i offer an arguement in support of this position.
Premise 1 - All scripture was once Tradition
Premise 2 - There was always a point prior to the Council of Nicea when the HOLY Bible was not fully canonised/ complete.
Premise 3 - Further Traditions has been developed/ revealed before and after the Council of Nicea that is not included in the Holy Bible.
Premise 4 - Tradition holds the same status as the Bible in that both Tradition and Scripture arose from the same Source (DIvine Inspiration/ Divine Revelation) and the DIvine Source is Truth.
Premise 5 - Tradition (Capital T) can be refered to as scripture and scripture can be refered to Tradition (See premise 1)
Therefore we can necessarily conclude that the Bible should be reviewed/ updated to include Accepted Traditions and to further conclude that the Authority of the Church must establish criteria for the continouos updating of Scripture so that includes all Traditions,
*** Now please help me and comment on (a) the logic of this arguement and (b) if this logic goes through, then can we expect to see an updated edition of the Bible (c) If (b) is not supported, why is support for (b) refused and how will we remain consistent with the Tradition of ensuring all Traditions are compiled into one collection under the title “The Hly Bible”.
Again, if i am coming accross as being too insistent, forgive me and please also feel free to call a spade a spade - if you think that this arguement reeks of insanity, please say it freely.
GOD bless you.