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How do you handle sports activities schedule on Sundays and on Wednesday evenings? I finally found a religion class on Sunday morning for my teenage son since Wednesday nights he has basketball practice. Now I have a parents upset with me because he will miss the first game on Sunday.(2 other games later in the day) I can’t win, but I’m sticking to my decision.:rolleyes:
 
Sticking with your choice is fine, but here are other ideas…

What type of Religion class is it? Is it a CCD? I only ask because growing up, my friends went to a CCD class on Monday night, it solved some of their Sunday sports drama.

Maybe there is another church in town/region that has a CCD class on a different night?
 
I don’t suggest hunting up another CCD class for your son. I get so tired of Sports being all important and taking precedence over our Faith! Yes, I know we are Catholics and can find a “different Mass” to fit in with the schedule but, if parents refused to allow their children to participate in Sunday morning sporting events then the leagues would stop scheduling them!

Just my very strong and humble opinion!

Brenda V.
 
You are teaching your child what is most important in life. Is that sports or learning his faith? Which will help him get to heaven?
 
I decided to stay with the Sunday class (CCR) because for 3 years I allowed my son to skip CCR on Wednesday so he could attend to full basketball practice. I felt like a failure when it came to my promise to see to his growth in the Catholic church education. I finally decided enough is enough, my son’s spiritual growth is more important above anyting else. He only has 2 Sundays where he will miss the first games and will be able to attend the rest of the games scheduled later on the day. But for this, I am hearing a lot of disagreement from others. I tried to make them understand but they continue to be upset with me. And thank you, I will notify the owners of the recreation center and explain to them about the conflict on Sunday mornings. Thanks again everyhone for your help. God Bless.
 
I decided to stay with the Sunday class (CCR) because for 3 years I allowed my son to skip CCR on Wednesday so he could attend to full basketball practice. I felt like a failure when it came to my promise to see to his growth in the Catholic church education. I finally decided enough is enough, my son’s spiritual growth is more important above anyting else. He only has 2 Sundays where he will miss the first games and will be able to attend the rest of the games scheduled later on the day. But for this, I am hearing a lot of disagreement from others. I tried to make them understand but they continue to be upset with me. And thank you, I will notify the owners of the recreation center and explain to them about the conflict on Sunday mornings. Thanks again everyhone for your help. God Bless.
Good for you…It annoys me so much that people place more importance on sports than faith…good for you for sticking to your faith:)
 
Typically, as the athlete progresses in his or her sport, if they miss games or practices, then they won’t be allowed to play in future games, or their playing time is cut way down. If your child is serious about the sport (possible college scholarship), then missing games or practices is not an option. When somebody is gone, it hurts the entire team.

Although it’s a tragedy that most sporting organizations don’t recognize Sunday as a day of worship, if a child wants to seriously participate in a sport, unless we have tremendous clout with the organization, then we have to go with the flow. We, as Catholics, do have many choices when it comes to Mass times, religious education, etc. With four children in highly competitive sports, my family and I have to attend Saturday evening or Sunday evening Masses quite often. Although it sickens me to see so many non-church goers at these athletic events on a Sunday, if you want to participate, there isn’t a choice.

As far as teaching your kids the faith, that’s really the parents’ responsibility. Although my wife and I teach catechism at church (for over 20 years), we teach our own children at home, attend daily Mass together as a family every day, and pray the Rosary and other prayers together as a family every day. Both of my sons would like to be priests some day, but they’re also excellent athletes, and so are my daughters. God gave them tremendous athletic abilities, and they intend to use them to help evangelize others. I used to be an Olympic level athlete, and it has given me excellent opportunities to evangelize. While avoiding sin, we shouldn’t hide our faith by avoiding the world - “Let your light shine before men.” Matt 5:16
 
Thank you for your reply. Yes, I do teach the faith at home to my kids. But I also want him to participate in a CCR class. He is a gifted athlete and has a good chance of receiving a scholorship for college. The games I am referring to are not school related. These games are played prior the basketball season. As I mentioned he will only be missing part of the 1st games on two Sundays. But people are making it a big ordeal about him not being there. Did I mentioned, they have 10 players in all. And when the regular season starts, there will be no conflict, since his CCR class will be on Sunday morning and of course, high school games are held on weeknights. I just wish people would respect other peoples decisions they make for their family especially when it comes to promoting our faith.
 
Coaches need to stop scheduling practices on Sundays and this will only happen when parents start to say no. It wasn’t that long ago that you never had practices or games on Sunday and I don’t think the quality of sports in this country was any less.

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I actually would have no problem with my children missing out on CCD. I am a bit leary of what they might teach. I am a sponsor to my sister at RCIA and they told us non-catholics could recieve the sacrament of Reconcilliation. Sometimes, (depending on the teachers) it might be BEST that they miss it. This is as long as you’re teaching them the rigth things at home!
 
I recently had a parent tell me that her son can’t know when his practices are going to be, because the coach just schedules them for whenever he has free time. And the kids are just supposed to drop everything and show up when he calls them and says, “Okay, we are having a practice in one hour.”

How is it that there are no consequences for that kind of inconsiderate behavior? Why do families put up with this kind of thing?

I just bet that if I scheduled Youth Group or Sacramental Preparation with only one hour of warning just whenever it happens to be convenient for me, that they would just not come - and who could blame them.

I get so sick and tired of this. What is it about sports that is so Almighty that kids even have to be in it, anyway? :confused: They can run around in the park and play ball hockey or whatever, and get the same or more exercise, with no fees, and the same benefits of learning how to work together towards a common goal.
 
I actually would have no problem with my children missing out on CCD.
Please do the CCD teacher the favour of not signing your kids up for it and then giving excuses all year long of how your child “has to” go to sports instead, because sports are so much more important than God Himself.
I am a bit leary of what they might teach. I am a sponsor to my sister at RCIA and they told us non-catholics could recieve the sacrament of Reconciliation.
Under some circumstances, they can. For example, if your sister was baptized, then your sister will be required to go to Reconciliation at some point before she becomes a Catholic, in order to receive her Sacraments of Initiation in the state of grace. A baptized non-Catholic can also receive the Sacrament of Reconciliation if he or she is in danger of death, and asks for it of his or her own free will.
 
This sort of thing really annoys me. As if kids sports should be the only important things in their lives!

In the case of kids playing for fun and recreation, which should be most, I think a lot of sports have become much more “serious” than is really good for people.

But even in the case of the very talented young athletes, it is like no one realizes that their are other dimentions to life. It is like academics and sports are all, and sometimes they even seem to conflict.

And it is true that at one time it was just not done to schedule this stuff on Sunday. That might be less effective in some cases than one would hope depending on the dominant religion in the area - Jewish kids should be able to play too I would think. But why not recognize setting out that not everyone will always be able to come to each game, and plan for it from the start. THose kids who are really slacking off will become evident soon enough.
 
Our two daughters were members of an elite synchronized skating team that had the following practice schedule:

Tuesday 7:00 P.M. - 10:20 P.M.

Saturday 7:00 A.M - 1: 00 P.M.

Sunday 5:30 A.M - 1:00 P.M.

There were short breaks in the practices, but nothing longer than 15 minutes.

We commuted 65 miles one way to the rinks where the practices were scheduled.

In addition, the team scheduled extra practices the week before a competition.

When I say “elite,” this means that the team was National medalist or champion (for three years in a row, they were National Gold Medalists), and were selected by United States Figure Skating for at least two competitions overseas as the representatives of the United States. They were also the World Team for the U.S.A.

Hundreds of skaters tried out for the team, and only 28 were selected, based on skating skill, personal appearance, and the all-important attitude and commitment to the team.

It cost us $600 per month per daughter. (That fee included the overseas trips.)

We were not Catholic at the time, but there were a lot of Catholics on the team. They had it made compared to Protestants, because they made arrangements to attend Saturday vigil Masses, and to attend confirmation classes on evenings other than Tuesday. One of the few valid excuses for missing a practice was the Catholic Confirmation Retreat–a skater could do this and not lose their position in the line. (Even a funeral wasn’t considered a valid excuse for missing practice. And if you missed for any other reason; e.g., Homecoming, you lost your spot in the line and had to work your butt off to earn it back again.)

Our coaches respected religion, but they expected a skater and their family to work with the team and make arrangements with their churches. If it wasn’t possible to make such arrangements, the coaches would suggest that perhaps this team wasn’t a good idea for the family.

Since we were Protestant at the time, we just missed church, period. In the last few years, many Protestant churches in our city, including all the megachurches, are holding Saturday evening worship services. I’m guessing that they realized how many families they were losing due to sports.

It’s important to realize the reason why sports are done on Sunday morning. For us and the sport of synchronized skating, the reason why practices were held on Saturday and Sunday morning were because there was no school so every skater was available, and because that was the cheapest ice available.

I think a lot of sports are scheduled for practice or games on Sunday mornings because it’s a time when kids are not in school, and it’s CHEAPER to rent whatever field or facility is needed for the sport.

We have absolutely no regrets, and we would do it all again in an instant. Both of my daughters are involved with coaching synchro teams, and my novels are about synchro teams.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that for some kids and their families, doing the sport is not just another activity that is easily dropped, but a serious passion. Our entire family is devoted to the sport of figure skating and has been for decades. We absolutely love the sport.

It is God Who gives people that talent and love for a sport, and I see no reason why a child/teenager can’t continue to do his/her sport AND be a good Catholic. Certainly if a child has to miss Mass or CCD/Religious Education to do their sport, then by all means, the decision must be made in favor of the Church. But I honestly think that with most sports, arrangements can be made so that a child/teen CAN attend Mass and religious education classes and still participate wholeheartedly in their sport. You may have to find a different coach or join a different team, league, etc., which is hard. But you do what you have to do.

BTW, synchronized skating is not NCAA yet, so no scholarships. People who do this sport do it for no reason other than pure love of the sport.
 
Since we were Protestant at the time, we just missed church, period. In the last few years, many Protestant churches in our city, including all the megachurches, are holding Saturday evening worship services. I’m guessing that they realized how many families they were losing due to sports.
This is what I don’t “get”. How is it that you can’t be bothered to show up for one hour of Church a week, but sports can take over your whole life? It’s as if sports is the religion, and Christianity is the hobby instead of the other way around. :confused:
BTW, synchronized skating is not NCAA yet, so no scholarships. People who do this sport do it for no reason other than pure love of the sport.
Can’t they love it without having to be on a team or having a coach? There is ice on the skating pond all winter long; kids can use it any time they want, for free.
 
*I think it’s very inconsiderate for coaches to schedule practices and games on Sundays. My son played football for a while, and even here in Florida, which they take football so seriously :rolleyes:…they didn’t schedule games or practices on Sundays. If they did, he wouldn’t have been there…and frankly, on days of holy obligation, he missed practice, and the coach ‘excused’ him. (you had to have a written note from parents for missing practices)

If Sunday mornings are a regular thing for games, OP–I might try to find an evening mass given on Sundays, or I’d go to mass on Saturday evenings. If this is an isolated Sunday, I’d have him miss the game.

It’s tough, because when kids commit to organized sports, it’s also not good to not show up, and not be there ‘for your team.’ But, worshipping comes first…I wouldn’t be happy at all, if practices and games fell on Sundays, in general.*
 
I understand exactly how you feel, and I know how hard it is to try to make the best decisions that you can for your child and then feel like you’re being judged. Competitive sports are very time- intensive, expensive investments. Really, the bottom line is there are going to be conflicts that you can’t work around, and either some things have to be missed sometimes, or they have to give up the sport, which is something that is very positive in their lives.

Our CCD is scheduled at a time that conflicts with competitive tournaments sometimes. It’s on Saturday late afternoon into evening, which I find is very inconvenient. I have to leave the tournaments, (and when they are out of town, sometimes not attend), so that I can go to CCD with one of my children because I am a teacher. When you have a child in a competitive sport that could lead to a scholarship or another activity, it is not nearly as easy as some people think to just say CCD is more important and you can’t do this. Like amgp mentioned in his post, we have dealt with this by doing formal religous training at home to make up for the things that have to be missed.
 
This is what I don’t “get”. How is it that you can’t be bothered to show up for one hour of Church a week, but sports can take over your whole life? It’s as if sports is the religion, and Christianity is the hobby instead of the other way around. :confused:

Can’t they love it without having to be on a team or having a coach? There is ice on the skating pond all winter long; kids can use it any time they want, for free.
We were evangelical Christian. We did not show up for church one hour a week. No evangelical Christian does that. We were in church or preparing for a church ministry at least 5-6 days/evenings per week.

Usually during those long skating practices, I was working on VBS, children’s choir, children’s church, a Bible study, or some other ministry that I was involved in.

My kids were just as involved. From their childhood, they attended children’s club on Wednesday night, were members of children’s choir, and when they were old enough, were active in the Youth Group. My older daughter was on the leadership team of the youth group, and attended the Youth Council meetings for several years around the country. Both of my daughters sang solos in church, yes, when they were teens. Both of my daughters were in demand as teachers in VBS when they were still teens.

Evangelicals do NOT consider “church” the epitome of worship. Remember, there’s no Mass in evangelical Protestantism, just a worship service. But to an evangelical, all of life is an act of worship. Skating is worship. Watching skating is worship. Driving, sleeping, eating, being human and loving God–all is worship.

One of our beloved evangelical pastors (not one of the pastors at the church that kicked us out), who had been a missionary in Viet Nam for twenty years (got out two weeks before Saigon fell), told us, “YES, you should be at the rink. YOU will be the witness for Christ at that rink!”

I can honestly say, with a clear conscience, that we obeyed our pastor and did our best to be a witness for Christ at the various skating rinks and in the clubs that my daughters were involved with. There are programs established in our city today, GOOD programs for children, that came about because of the work that I did lobbying the Park District and the skating clubs. There are many many skaters who state in the biographies that their best memory of skating is “The Nutcracker” that I produced for seven years in our city. We attracted an audience of over 10,000 people for those productions, and routinely filled two semis full of food for the local food pantry, so I can also say that the work that I did with skating helped to feed many hungry people.

Yes, there are sports that kids can love without coaching or teams. But figure skating is not really one of those sports.

There is skating around and around a pond or rink with your buds, holding hands, doing a few crack the whips, and then heading for the concession stand for hot chocolate afterwards.

That isn’t what the sport of figure skating is. That’s not a sport, that’s a fun thing that you do with friends. It’s like playing chopsticks or Heart and Soul on the piano–fun, but that’s not what I did to learn to play the piano as well as I play it today. As a child and teenager, I routinely spent 2-4 hours a day at the piano to get to the place I am today.

Figure skating is a true sport, with international standards.

You cannot learn how to jump, spin, and use your edges correctly on a frozen pond in a pair of K-Mart skates with no coach. It takes many skaters a year of lessons just to learn to do the axel jump (the only jump in which the skater jumps forward). Double axels and triple axels take even longer.

Figure skating is a sport of edges, and the subtlety and beauty of clean, deep edges cannot be learned without a coach who understands the edges and passes that understanding to his/her students. Most skaters on a frozen pond have no idea what edges are. If you don’t know edges, you don’t know figure skating.

The skills involved with figure skating are difficult and dangerous, and good coaching can help a skater to learn correct techniques that will help them to do the element beautifully and safely.

There are standardized skating tests that all figure skaters work on and take. The goal of most figure skaters is to pass the highest-level tests. A skater can test in the following disciplines:

Moves in the Field (required to pass the Freestyle tests)
Freestyle (what you see on TV)
Pairs
Dance (with a partner)
Solo Dance
School Figures (still offered, but rarely done because they aren’t required)

There are eight levels of testing for each of these disciplines, and for Dance, there are International tests, too.

It takes years and years of work for a skater to pass these tests. Most skaters start working on the tests when they are small children–the first test is the Pre-Preliminary test. Then they spend the rest of their childhood and teenaged years working on the tests. Often a skater will not pass the Moves in the Field and Freestyle tests through the Senior level until they are Seniors in high school–that’s how hard the tests are. Many times, the test has to be repeated over and over again because the skater fails. I know skaters who made five attempts at Senior Moves before passing.

But for every skater, there is pride and joy in passing any of the figure skating tests, especially the Senior tests. You won’t achieve this skating on a pond. .

The sport of synchronized skating is a 50-year old discipline that involves sixteen skaters (at the time my daughters were competing, it was 24 skaters) who have all passed a certain test level (e.g., all skaters on the Junior level synchro teams have to pass their Intermediate Moves test).

Obviously you can’t just head to the local pond and pick up 16-24 skaters and do the elements that a synchro team does. For one thing, the hockey players would throw the team off the pond! For another thing, there has to be a coach to choreograph the maneuvers and correct the skaters and fine-tune the programs.

I encourage everyone, please, to check out this link that is a montage of various synchronized skating teams around the world: youtube.com/watch?v=ksnNHytIz4s

And here is a link to one of the programs that my daughter was in:

youtube.com/watch?v=0SddbN7knvM

I think you can see from these videos that synchronized skating is not something that you can just love at a frozen pond. It’s addictive, it’s fascinating, it’s a foretaste of heaven.

And finally, in many parts of the country, including ours, there are very few frozen ponds. The city used to freeze over parks and kids and adults would walk down and skate for free. Now they don’t do that anymore–they’re afraid of lawsuits. It’s a different world.
 
My kids are in Religious Ed for the 1st time, (our parish school was closed). Already 4 weeks into the year we have had conflicts with sports and birthday parties. You know what, they arrive at the event late or leave early. If I allow a party or game to take precedence over their religious education, what am I teaching them? Neither one was happy with me, but they got over it, and enjoyed whatever time they had at the party or game.
 
My kids are in Religious Ed for the 1st time, (our parish school was closed). Already 4 weeks into the year we have had conflicts with sports and birthday parties. You know what, they arrive at the event late or leave early. If I allow a party or game to take precedence over their religious education, what am I teaching them? Neither one was happy with me, but they got over it, and enjoyed whatever time they had at the party or game.
First graders in soccer is not comparable to a teenager in a competitive sport. If you are not involved in a competitive sport then you do not understand that you either quit the sport altogether so you do not miss 1 hour of religious training a week, or you make these compromises. You cannot come late or miss practice and games in a competitive sport.

Does it really make sense to you to say, “my child will not be involved with this sport”, because they might miss 1 hour of religous training a week? If it does make sense to you, then you have a first grader in soccer, you do not have an older child or teenager in a competitive sport.

This is about being pragmatic, NOT about priorities.
 
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