Spread of Catholicism in India

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The Catholic Church in India is part of the worldwide Catholic Church, under the leadership of the Pope and curia in Rome. There are over 17.3 million Catholics in India,[1] which represents less than 2% of the total population[2] and is the largest Christian Church within India.[1] There are 157 ecclesiastical units in India comprising 29 archdioceses and 128 dioceses. Of these, 127 are Latin Rite, 25 Syro-Malabar Rite and 5 Syro-Malankara Rite.

All the bishops in India, both Western and Eastern, form the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of India, which was founded in 1944.[3] The Holy See’s representative to the government of India and to the Church in India is the Apostolic Nuncio to India. The diplomatic mission was established as the Apostolic Delegation to the East Indies in 1881. It was raised to an Internunciature by Pope Pius XII in 1948, and to a full Apostolic Nunciature by Pope Paul VI in 1967.[4]

[edit] Early Missionaries
John of Monte Corvino, was a Franciscan sent to China to become prelate of Peking in around 1307. He traveled from Persia and moved down by sea to India, in 1291, to the Madras region or “Country of St. Thomas” .There he preached for thirteen months and baptized about one hundred persons. From there Monte Corvino wrote home, in December 1291 (or 1292).That is one of the earliest noteworthy account of the Coromandel coast furnished by any Western European. Traveling by sea from Mailapur, he reached China in 1294, appearing in the capital “Cambaliech” (now Beijing)[8]

Friar Odoric of Udine who arrived in India in 1321. He visited Malabar, touching at Pandarani (20 m. north of Calicut), at Cranganore, and at Kulam or Quilon, proceeding thence, apparently, to Ceylon and to the shrine of St Thomas at Maylapur near Madras. He writes he had found the place where Thomas was buried.

Father Jordanus, a Dominican, followed in 1321-22. He reported to Rome, apparently from somewhere on the west coast of India, that he had given Christian burial to four martyred monks.

Jordan Catalani a French Dominican missionary and explorer in Asia. He is known for his “Mirabilia” describing the marvels of the East. In 1329, he furnished the best account of Indian regions and the Christians , the products, climate, manners, customs, fauna and flori given by any European in the Middle Ages - superior even to Marco Polo’s.

In 1347, Giovanni de’ Marignolli visited the shrine of St Thomas near the modern Madras, and then proceeded to what he calls the kingdom of Saba, and identifies with the Sheba of Scripture, but which seems from various particulars to have been Java. Taking ship again for Malabar on his way to Europe, he encountered great storms.

Another prominent Indian traveler was Joseph, priest over Cranganore. He journeyed to Babylon in 1490 and then sailed to Europe and visited Portugal, Rome, and Venice before returning to India. He helped to write a book about his travels titled The Travels of Joseph the Indian which was widely disseminated across Europe.

[edit] Arrival of the Portuguese
Introduction of Catholicism in India started with arrival of Vasco da Gama,[1] who was seeking pre-existing Christian nations with which to form anti-Islamic alliances. The lucrative spice trade was further temptation for the Portuguese crown.[9]

With the papal bull Romanus Pontifex the patronage of the mission was granted to the Portuguese and they were remunerated with a trade monopoly.[10] After four decades of prosperous trading they started the proselytization around 1540. Missionaries of the newly founded Society of Jesus were sent to Goa and the Portuguese colonial government supported the mission with incentives for baptized Christians. They offered rice donations for the poor, good positions in the Portuguese colonies for the middle class and military support for local rulers and hence these Christians were dubbed Rice Christians who even practiced their old religion. At the same time many New Christians from Portugal migrated to India as a result of the inquisition in Portugal. Many of them were suspected Crypto-Jews, because they were forcibly converted to Catholicism. Both was considered a threat to the immaculateness of the Christian belief.[11] Saint Francis Xavier, in a 1545 letter to John III of Portugal, requested an inquisition to be installed in Goa[11] which would spell the end of Portuguese domination in the Christian dominance.[12]

When the Portuguese came into India, they set themselves to the task of removing this Nestorianism and bringing the community into union with the Catholic Church.[7] Latinisation of St Thomas Christians started in the early 16th century.[13] The Synod of Diamper was convened by the Portuguese between 20 and 26 June 1599, which led most Indian Nestorians to acknowledge the authority of the Pope in Rome.[13] Most of the Christians in the Coramandel coast accepted the Catholic faith, but some St Thomas Christians of the Malabar still stayed with the Assyrian Church or stayed independent.[7]

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Hello Paarsurrey, what is your point? You have moved on from the spread of Islam to the spread of Catholicism?
 
How about the persecution of Christians in India as we speak?:mad:
 
How about the persecution of Christians in India as we speak?:mad:
Hi

I don’t like persecution of Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims etc; there is no compulsion in religion.

A Hindu individual or a Hindu sect sanatanhindudharam
sanatanhindudharam.blogspot.com/
has under the heading “What is the essence of Christianity?” enumerated 25 reasons why the Hindus feel indingnant with the conversion. I don’t agree with most of the points mentioned by him/them. Nevertheless I would suggest my Christian friends to read it to see the problem deeply and to resolve it.

Maybe it helps to solve the problem under discussion.

This conversion problem may also be seen in the context that one of my Christian friends here has observed that the Christian population has been static in the last 60 years in India; which incidently matches with the period India gained Independence.

What is this phenomenon? Why it increased earlier and is static now?

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What is this phenomenon? Why it increased earlier and is static now?
Because the pressure from the Hindu’s fundamentalist who follow the muslim fundamentalist way of dealing with Christianity. To bad, such fundamentalist movement is followed by muslim fundamentalist in Indonesia too. It is because the muslim scholars and traditionalists who prevent the spread of Islam fundamentalism. BTW, any muslim or hindu social worker just like Mother Theresa of Calcutta? who can take over her works?
 
Didn’t seem to mention St. Thomas who was the first to evangelise India. They had even enjoyed an apparition of the Blessed Mother with associated miracles. The place now has a large shrine which is known as Our Lady of Vailankanni (fully approved) and is a major pilgrimage site for Indians of all faiths, Muslims and Hindus included. Our parish priest is from this area of India and treated us to a showing of a film on the events and the church. The Great Tsunami of 2004 separated at the doors of this church and went around it without damaging it.

vailankannichurch.org/
Our Lady of Vailankanni also known as the Lourdes of the East
sbolv.com/
 
What is your point? You are posting “Spread of Islam in…” now Catholicism? Half the time I don’t know what it is you are trying to prove. Is salaam alaykum.
 
What is your point? You are posting “Spread of Islam in…” now Catholicism? Half the time I don’t know what it is you are trying to prove. Is salaam alaykum.
 
I don’t like persecution of Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims etc; there is no compulsion in religion.
That’s not true in Islam.

The following passage makes clear that Allah has full control over religious belief; Allah himself makes it impossible for the disbelievers to grasp his message, and then he punishes them for not grasping it!
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2:6-10: "Verily, those who disbelieve, it is the same to them whether you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him) warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe. Allah has set a seal on their hearts and on their hearings, (i.e. they are closed from accepting Allah's Guidance), and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be a great torment. And of mankind, there are some (hypocrites) who say: "We believe in Allah and the Last Day" while in fact they believe not. They (think to) deceive Allah and those who believe, while they only deceive themselves, and perceive (it) not! In their hearts is a disease (of doubt and hypocrisy) and Allah has increased their disease. A painful torment is theirs because they used to tell lies."
The above passages demolish the general claim that ‘there is no compulsion in Islam.’
 
What is your point? You are posting “Spread of Islam in…” now Catholicism? Half the time I don’t know what it is you are trying to prove. Is salaam alaykum.
Hi

I think it is good to make a comparitive study of how Islam spread in the world and how Catholicism spread in the world. Only then we could know as to how religions spread .

Does it make you angry?

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Didn’t seem to mention St. Thomas who was the first to evangelise India.
Hi

I think I did mention about St.Thomas and the Jewish Christians who were his followers.

They were not Catholics; they did not follow the Pope at Rome. When Spaniards came to Kerala, they presserized/persecuted them to follow the Pope at Rome. They did not willingly do it. They have still kept their identity separate and call themselves Jewish Christians.

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Firstly, yes, the St. Thomas Christians WERE Catholic. And still are. They were Syriac Christians under the guidance of Persian Bishops of the Chaledan rite, they were Syriacs and at that time there was just one Church. When the Great Schism occurred they did not know due to the great distances involved, and when the Portugese arrived a great number of them reunified with the Catholic Church.

Even under Protestant British rule a great number changed from Orthodox to Catholic.

Besides this is largely irrelevant, as you said when questioned about the Muslims. If there was so much persecution why isn’t the whole of India Christian?
 
Firstly, yes, the St. Thomas Christians WERE Catholic. And still are. They were Syriac Christians under the guidance of Persian Bishops of the Chaledan rite, they were Syriacs and at that time there was just one Church. When the Great Schism occurred they did not know due to the great distances involved, and when the Portugese arrived a great number of them reunified with the Catholic Church.

Even under Protestant British rule a great number changed from Orthodox to Catholic.

Besides this is largely irrelevant, as you said when questioned about the Muslims. If there was so much persecution why isn’t the whole of India Christian?
Hi

I think there are still Jewish Christians in Kerala who have preferred not to join Catholicism.

There is a little question.

Did Cotholicism followed Colonialism/Imperialism or Colonialism/Imperialism followed Catholism; since we see this happening in most of the world with its spread, if not all?

What is the real phenomenon?

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Hi

I think it is good to make a comparitive study of how Islam spread in the world and how Catholicism spread in the world. Only then we could know as to how religions spread .

Does it make you angry?

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna

Thanks
Thank you for clarifying! 🙂 No I was not angry, I just couldn’t understand what you trying to do. I didn’t mean to sound angry :o .Is salaam alaykum.
 
Thank you for clarifying! 🙂 No I was not angry, I just couldn’t understand what you trying to do. I didn’t mean to sound angry :o .Is salaam alaykum.
Hi

Thank you.

There is a little question I asked LDN Catholic; and there is no harm if some other friend replies.

Did Cotholicism followed Colonialism/Imperialism or Colonialism/Imperialism followed Catholism; since we see this happening in most of the world with its spread, if not all?

What is the real phenomenon, in your opinion?

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna

Thanks
 
There is a little question I asked LDN Catholic; and there is no harm if some other friend replies.

Did Cotholicism followed Colonialism/Imperialism or Colonialism/Imperialism followed Catholism; since we see this happening in most of the world with its spread, if not all?

What is the real phenomenon, in your opinion?
Neither. Catholicism existed before Imperialistic forces set thier sights on India. Catholicism was present in India long before Imperialistic European forces began expanding. 72 AD I believe.

So, while some Catholics acted in an un Christian manner, Catholicism was not spread by the sword (or rather, the gun as the period may have dictated), those Mar Thoma Christians who decided to return to Union with Rome did so, and those that chose not to still exist as the Jewish Christians, the Syro Malankara Orthodox Church etc.
 
Hi

I think it is good to make a comparitive study of how Islam spread in the world and how Catholicism spread in the world.**** Only then we could know as to how religions spread .

Does it make you angry?

uhm. no. It doesn’t make me angry as much as it makes me confused. What exactly is your point? Because it makes absolutely no sense and you are attempting to stitch together pieces of some sort of philosophical argument that no one is following.
 
Hi

I think I did mention about St.Thomas and the Jewish Christians who were his followers.

They were not Catholics; they did not follow the Pope at Rome. When Spaniards came to Kerala, they presserized/persecuted them to follow the Pope at Rome. They did not willingly do it. They have still kept their identity separate and call themselves Jewish Christians.

Thanks
Can you show me proof of that? (Wikipedia doesn’t count)

Thanks.
 
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholicism_in_India

The Catholic Church in India is part of the worldwide Catholic Church, under the leadership of the Pope and curia in Rome. There are over 17.3 million Catholics in India,[1] which represents less than 2% of the total population[2] and is the largest Christian Church within India.[1] There are 157 ecclesiastical units in India comprising 29 archdioceses and 128 dioceses. Of these, 127 are Latin Rite, 25 Syro-Malabar Rite and 5 Syro-Malankara Rite.

All the bishops in India, both Western and Eastern, form the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of India, which was founded in 1944.[3] The Holy See’s representative to the government of India and to the Church in India is the Apostolic Nuncio to India. The diplomatic mission was established as the Apostolic Delegation to the East Indies in 1881. It was raised to an Internunciature by Pope Pius XII in 1948, and to a full Apostolic Nunciature by Pope Paul VI in 1967.[4]

[edit] Early Missionaries
John of Monte Corvino, was a Franciscan sent to China to become prelate of Peking in around 1307. He traveled from Persia and moved down by sea to India, in 1291, to the Madras region or “Country of St. Thomas” .There he preached for thirteen months and baptized about one hundred persons. From there Monte Corvino wrote home, in December 1291 (or 1292).That is one of the earliest noteworthy account of the Coromandel coast furnished by any Western European. Traveling by sea from Mailapur, he reached China in 1294, appearing in the capital “Cambaliech” (now Beijing)[8]

Friar Odoric of Udine who arrived in India in 1321. He visited Malabar, touching at Pandarani (20 m. north of Calicut), at Cranganore, and at Kulam or Quilon, proceeding thence, apparently, to Ceylon and to the shrine of St Thomas at Maylapur near Madras. He writes he had found the place where Thomas was buried.

Father Jordanus, a Dominican, followed in 1321-22. He reported to Rome, apparently from somewhere on the west coast of India, that he had given Christian burial to four martyred monks.

Jordan Catalani a French Dominican missionary and explorer in Asia. He is known for his “Mirabilia” describing the marvels of the East. In 1329, he furnished the best account of Indian regions and the Christians , the products, climate, manners, customs, fauna and flori given by any European in the Middle Ages - superior even to Marco Polo’s.

In 1347, Giovanni de’ Marignolli visited the shrine of St Thomas near the modern Madras, and then proceeded to what he calls the kingdom of Saba, and identifies with the Sheba of Scripture, but which seems from various particulars to have been Java. Taking ship again for Malabar on his way to Europe, he encountered great storms.

Another prominent Indian traveler was Joseph, priest over Cranganore. He journeyed to Babylon in 1490 and then sailed to Europe and visited Portugal, Rome, and Venice before returning to India. He helped to write a book about his travels titled The Travels of Joseph the Indian which was widely disseminated across Europe.

[edit] Arrival of the Portuguese
Introduction of Catholicism in India started with arrival of Vasco da Gama,[1] who was seeking pre-existing Christian nations with which to form anti-Islamic alliances. The lucrative spice trade was further temptation for the Portuguese crown.[9]

With the papal bull Romanus Pontifex the patronage of the mission was granted to the Portuguese and they were remunerated with a trade monopoly.[10] After four decades of prosperous trading they started the proselytization around 1540. Missionaries of the newly founded Society of Jesus were sent to Goa and the Portuguese colonial government supported the mission with incentives for baptized Christians. They offered rice donations for the poor, good positions in the Portuguese colonies for the middle class and military support for local rulers and hence these Christians were dubbed Rice Christians who even practiced their old religion. At the same time many New Christians from Portugal migrated to India as a result of the inquisition in Portugal. Many of them were suspected Crypto-Jews, because they were forcibly converted to Catholicism. Both was considered a threat to the immaculateness of the Christian belief.[11] Saint Francis Xavier, in a 1545 letter to John III of Portugal, requested an inquisition to be installed in Goa[11] which would spell the end of Portuguese domination in the Christian dominance.[12]

When the Portuguese came into India, they set themselves to the task of removing this Nestorianism and bringing the community into union with the Catholic Church.[7] Latinisation of St Thomas Christians started in the early 16th century.[13] The Synod of Diamper was convened by the Portuguese between 20 and 26 June 1599, which led most Indian Nestorians to acknowledge the authority of the Pope in Rome.[13] Most of the Christians in the Coramandel coast accepted the Catholic faith, but some St Thomas Christians of the Malabar still stayed with the Assyrian Church or stayed independent.[7]

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i MAY BE WRONG BUT i think that St Thomas the apostle started the first Cathloic church in INDIA THAT IS STILL THERE TODAY.-----sorry not yelling its my key board that is not working
 
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