SSPX and 9/11

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No, it’s called being factual. I was unaware of Popular Mechanics using that example, the imagry that Joey presented in the post just reeeked of Wile E. Coyote
How did my imagery reeked of Wile E. Coyote? I said the wings would have been cut off. Go look at any other pictures of plane crashes and there is always huge debris laying everywhere, usually wings. That was not the case here.
 
How did my imagery reeked of Wile E. Coyote? I said the wings would have been cut off. Go look at any other pictures of plane crashes and there is always huge debris laying everywhere, usually wings. That was not the case here.
Planes also don’t normally slam into large, re-inforced concrete structures that are fronted with limestone. Remember, this building was built as the HQ for the War Department during WWII It was built, not exactly to be a bombshelter per se, but with the knowledge that it might get bombed someday.

So it hit a hardened structure and do so while full of fuel…

It’s radically different than striking a farmer’s field and skidding while breaking apart. That stretches out the deceleration. and since F=Ma (force = Mass X acceleration) or in this case deceleration, F is going to be smaller.

Aircraft are made of rather thin aluminum. With it’s speed and mass, and rapid deceleration, F would be HUGE. It would crumple like a sheet of aluminum foil, acting more like a fluid than a solid ( this is kind of what ‘crumple zones’ in cars do,) The F is so large at almost every point, that it excedes the structural integrity of the metal. The metal becomes a fluid structure.

What you would see is small chunks occasionally blown off, but most moving as a large, fluid mass in the same direction as the inertia vector ( Object in motion tends to stay in motion)

Which, in the case of the Pentegon, would be into the building structure itself.

IIRC, they found the engine core shafts and front landing gear well inside the inner rings. Which would be consistent with what happened.
 
Also, don’t pilots release the fuel when they know they are going to crash, so as to lessen the damage and increase the chances of survival ?
 
How did my imagery reeked of Wile E. Coyote? I said the wings would have been cut off. Go look at any other pictures of plane crashes and there is always huge debris laying everywhere, usually wings. That was not the case here.
Most planes don’t crash into columns which would sheer off the wings.
 
Also, don’t pilots release the fuel when they know they are going to crash, so as to lessen the damage and increase the chances of survival ?
Normally they would, but I seriously doubt the terrorists would do that as their intent is to cause the MAXIMUM amount of damage.
 
Normally they would, but I seriously doubt the terrorists would do that as their intent is to cause the MAXIMUM amount of damage.
Right, that is what I meant. Under normal circumstances.

Those that keep asking “where are the wings” are not considering the fact that the plane that hit the pentagon had fuel in the wings. The wings are the last thing we would expect to find intack.

I should have made it clear that I was adding support to Brendan’s comment. 🙂
 
Right, that is what I meant. Under normal circumstances.

Those that keep asking “where are the wings” are not considering the fact that the plane that hit the pentagon had fuel in the wings. The wings are the last thing we would expect to find intack.

I should have made it clear that I was adding support to Brendan’s comment. 🙂
👍 Right on target! 👍
 
The 9/11 article from Matt Abbot was based on a 11/4/07 talk by Williamson. Maybe it took Abbott a few weeks to stumble across it. Who knows? We’re not talking about something that happened years ago. We’re talking about something that happened weeks ago. Also, where does Abbott say that his org is an up to the minute site? Please.
It just shows you how out of touch and ignorant Abbott is on the subject. I said that Williamson was interviewed by Bernard Janzen in 2003 (titled “Behind the Headlines”) on this same subject. We are talking about something that is well known about Bishop W and it is being presented mysteriously as if it is recent news and of course it’s also being presented in a negative light.
TIA likes to pile up as much as they can on what they perceive to be the horrors of the papacy like the Pope wearing sunglasses and then keep it on the site even after the Holy Father dies. 🤷
Since the post-conciliar novelties are still present, it’s a prudent idea to keep reminding people of the oddities of the recent past. Especially in light of the efforts to ram a canonization through on JPII.
I read the whole thing more than once. It is goofy. There’s really no other counterpoint that can be made.
You read what “whole thing”? You certainly didn’t attend the conference and you haven’t heard the interviews.
If someone says “The sky is green with red polka dots, I’m not going to debate it. I’m simply going to say they’re crazy.”
Then you are the perfect patsy for propaganda. All that has to be done is a third person has to tell you “He said… the sky is green and etc…”
You are just about the only SSPX supporter I know that will defend Williamson on these points.
Years ago, I was virtually the only supporter of Bishop Williamson willing to defend him on anything. Most trads either buy into the propaganda about him because they don’t know his real arguments or they are intimidated by the vitriol launched against him instead of reasoned argumentation.
That’s probably a conspiracy in itself though.🤷 You’d do much better just to argue that he’s a little loopy on some things .
If I ever see him doing or saying anything that I think is loopy, I’ll express it based on reason. I certainly won’t run around complaining, “He’s a nut. I don’t need to research him. I don’t need to hear him personally. He’s a nut and the press reporting on him is infallible.”
 
“It was a missile that hit the Pentagon. It was a missile that could only have been fired by the American military.” Williamson

Truly a very sick individual. Someone who hates the United States Government so much that he is willing to allow his hatred to overcome his own common sense.
 
Given the lies that Bishop Williamson has stated regarding the attacks on September 11th, it might be prudent to consider that this man is clearly not being led by the Holy Spirit, but perhaps by Satan himself. With the lies he spreads, the deep harm he inflicts on the Unity of the Body of Christ, and the act of sacrilige he commits when he illicitly confects the Holy Eucharist, it is not unreasonable at all to suspect that his soul has been captivated by an evil spirit.

Let us pray that Bishop Williamson will be released from the clutches of the Evil One!
 
“Kooks” like him? I’m continually impressed with the intellect of a number of posters. Added to that the charitable attitude. Pope Benedict would really approve.
Charm only goes so far if you’re full-bore nuts. Williamson may be able to get away with saying he believes the US military fired a missile into the Pentagon, but he’d better not scream it.
 
Basically, you want to make your accusations without support.
Again, I’ve been asked and I’ve answered again over and over and over again.
I have read the letters, in fact it was after reading the letters (because I suspected that he was being quoted out of context) that I was inspired to buy his taped interview series.
I’ll lay odds that those interviews over a 24 year period are something you haven’t researched at all.
And he didn’t deny it in one of them, did he?
Right. Since George Washington never denied the veracity of the Cherry Tree story we can assume it is true as well. That is absurd reasoning on your part.
There goes the gymnastics again. Good old George didn’t have a website did he. Williamson has quite often used the SSPX site to put forth corrections. Who knows? Maybe he’ll put out a correction in a few weeks. That said, he hasn’t yet on the gas chamber quote. In fact, he has spoken to them already with no correction so we can assume it to be true.
Nonsense. I agree with people because of reasons. Not because of emotional knee jerk reactions. Most of the posters here spreading their own brand of ignorance don’t even have a clue to the details of what Williamson is presenting. But he’s a nut because they are prejudiced against what they were told by a third party he stated.
You protest because you have to. One of the major leaders in your little world has spewed some very loopy things and you have to dismiss them or it lessens your arguments when you say “Listen to him”. The sad thing is that most of us would be more inclined to listen to you if you just admitted that he puts forth some loopy ideas but not all of them are loopy. That would be far better for your cause then to try and dismiss them over and over again claiming context problems that aren’t there. I encourage people to read his letters posted on the site run by his group all of the time because they show, in context, just how loopy he is.
First, you’d have to prove the quote. Second, you’d have to provide the context. Third, you then have to challenge the premise and listen to the arguments.
Again, he’s been asked about the quote and his only defense was that he was arguing against the enemies of Christ. He never said that he didn’t say it. We can assume it to be true. Secondly, context has nothing, and I mean nothing, to do with the loopiness of the comment. Gerard, do you believe that there were no Jews killed in gas chambers?
 
Right. Since George Washington never denied the veracity of the Cherry Tree story we can assume it is true as well. That is absurd reasoning on your part.
Just to set the record straight, Parson Weems’ biography of Washington, which is the only source for the cherry tree story, was written long after Washington’s death, so he couldn’t very well deny it.
 
“It was a missile that hit the Pentagon. It was a missile that could only have been fired by the American military.” Williamson

Truly a very sick individual. Someone who hates the United States Government so much that he is willing to allow his hatred to overcome his own common sense.
I find this a very strange attitude. You are virtually idolatrous of the U.S. Government.

Do you think the Constitution or the Declaration are magisterial and infallible?

I was listening to Bishop W this morning from 2003 and he said, “God love John Paul II for his opposition to the war in Iraq!”

Would you agree or disagree with Bishop W on that point?
 
Given the lies that Bishop Williamson has stated regarding the attacks on September 11th, it might be prudent to consider that this man is clearly not being led by the Holy Spirit, but perhaps by Satan himself.
I’m wondering how much worse the unsupported ad hominems can get.
With the lies he spreads, the deep harm he inflicts on the Unity of the Body of Christ, and the act of sacrilige he commits when he illicitly confects the Holy Eucharist, it is not unreasonable at all to suspect that his soul has been captivated by an evil spirit.
That is truly funny. You really have no idea about the man.
Let us pray that Bishop Williamson will be released from the clutches of the Evil One!
That’s right. Get him to a Clown Mass or a Charismatic “Healing” someone can speak in tongues to give him deliverance.
 
Charm only goes so far if you’re full-bore nuts. Williamson may be able to get away with saying he believes the US military fired a missile into the Pentagon, but he’d better not scream it.
Why not?
 
You make some very interesting points Gerard, and I’m not going to try and formulate an opinion one way or another about 9-11 and what really happened, because I don’t believe we have all the facts. Am I ready to accept some 20 year old with his own blog’s, theory of how 9-11 was an inside job ? NO I’am not. Am I ready to accept the war mongering, we need bases everywhere, and must curtail civil liberties in the USA, Bush Administration’s explanation ? The answer is also NO.
 
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