My personal standard, as it were.
Iām surprised you like it- itās a little provocative. I put it together some months ago in an attempt to express the main themes of my blog in a single, striking visual image.
Quite likely two weeks after that as well, before something official is finalized. Possibly not, but likely.A few hours to go, well ok quite a few but meh
Iāve asked this before, but Iāll try againā¦
Sorry, Iām not familiar with those initialisms.Iāve asked this before, but Iāll try againā¦
The Church has the SFO. The SSPX has the TOSF (I believe that is correct). How will this be reconciled.? āSeparate, but equal*ā, maybe?
*I use this phrase for lack of a better one. I mean NO disrespect to anyone, OK?
Is the SFO a third order ?Iāve asked this before, but Iāll try againā¦
The Church has the SFO. The SSPX has the TOSF (I believe that is correct). How will this be reconciled.? āSeparate, but equal*ā, maybe?
*I use this phrase for lack of a better one. I mean NO disrespect to anyone, OK?
Well said.
Thank you for the reminder. This is the only post here ( and the next like it) that I really agree is appropriate at this time. Patience people. We will hear soon enough.
May God be with them all at this time.I pray there is no split within the SSPX, as this article suggests may happen.
To be honest with you, Iāve been predicting for about two years now that Bishop Williamson and others will leave if and when the SSPX reconciles with Rome. They could quite possibly join the SSPV or something like it, and become even more radical- possibly sedevacantist.
Thank you āAt Trentā for your thread, prayer!
Amen, and thank you as well for wishing the best for those who will meetThank you for the reminder. This is the only post here ( and the next like it) that I really agree is appropriate at this time. Patience people. We will hear soon enough.
Hi Megan, Still praying here as well !Thank you āAt Trentā for your thread, prayer!
God Bless!
Oh, LORD PLEASE hear our PRAYERS!!!
Megan
Iāve asked this before, but Iāll try againā¦
The Church has the SFO. The SSPX has the TOSF (I believe that is correct). How will this be reconciled.? āSeparate, but equal*ā, maybe?
*I use this phrase for lack of a better one. I mean NO disrespect to anyone, OK?
The SFO is the Secular Franciscan Order. It is a little different from a third order. It is often called the Franciscan third order (notice lower case), because it was the third order that Francis founded.
Depends how good the offer is to some, but I think should an offer that is acceptable would be made, a split is inevitable. Every group that broke away and reunited with the Church never came back whole. It never happened with the Eastern Catholics (there are still more Orthodox today), it didnāt happen with the Traditional Anglicans, I donāt think it will happen with the SSPX. Unless the Vatican of course agrees to revert to pre-Vatican II. We know that will not happen.
Br JrThe SFO is the Secular Franciscan Order. It is a little different from a third order. It is often called the Franciscan third order (notice lower case), because it was the third order that Francis founded.
The SFO is a real canonical order of Pontifical Right founded in 1221 with its own rule, constitution, superior general, properties, mission, formation program, etc, just like our own order of friars.
The TOSF is an association of the faithful founded by some members of the SSPX who want to follow the spirit of St. Francis, but do not want to join the SFO.
The SFO has already said that unless the TOSF agrees to enter the order and go through six months of aspirancy, one year of postulancy, 18 months of novitiate and three years of temporary profession before making final profession, they cannot be received into the order and cannot use the name Franciscan. Thatās why they call themselves Third Order of St. Francis and not Secular Franciscans. They cannot use that name without ther permissio nof the Minister General of the Secular Franciscans.
Franciscans have decided that any group that separated from the Franciscan family to align themselves with the SSPX must recant their affiliation with the SSPX even if there is a reconciliation, because there is an article in the rule in which Francis prohibits obedience and fidelity to any other spiritual father or leader other than himself and his canonically elected successors. The bishops of the SSPX are not successors of St. Francis any more than the General Master of the Dominicans. A Secular Franciscan vows ot obey the Secular Franciscan rule, constitution and superiors over all other authorities. Just as we friars vow to obey our rule, constitutions and our superior over all other authorities in the world.
The only authority over St. Francis and his successors are the popes. But the rule is very clear that the current Pontiff is always the highest authority, not deceased pontiffs. The current pontiff alone can interpret Catholic tradition, according to Franciscan rules and theology. We always adjust to the current pontiff and as they change we change. Itās complicated.
There is no reason why there cannot be a confraternity that is independent of the order. They canāt be an order, thatās all. They can certainly have a devotion to Francis and try to live according to his inspiratioin. No Franciscan is going to be offended by that.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
