SSPX and women in positions of authority

[latinmasslover]

Just curious. Who determined what is proper length?

Is it in the Catechism?

Has an encyclical been issued?

Is there a particular Bible verse?

Has one of the Vatican’s bureaus issued a report?

Modesty doesn’t seem to be an issue Rome has chosen to address. It’ pretty much common sense.

 

[Margarite]

St. Paul says that the single life is the best life.

LATINMASSLOVER"I call out, but don’t really yell much. I have slip-ups like anyone; I’m only human."

Didn’t your mother ever yell at you? I think most mothers do yell at their kids one time or another and it is not wrong for them to do so.

“Running - that just went along with sports related activities.”

What does this mean?

LATINMASSLOVER"I do have a problem with shorts and pants on women. I wear pants to work - I have to walk there at night and go through a large parking lot and a few dark streets in a neighborhood that has had many police visits. Wearing a skirt will only make me a target, not to mention that hitching it up in order to break into a run will only make impure pursuers pick up the pace."

Here you are stating your opinion, I am asking what is wrong, not what you don’t like. I find pants to be much more modest, much more comfortable, much easier to get around in, much less likely to fly up, much better at keeping me warm, much better at covering up my extra weight…etc.

LATINMASSLOVER"Skirt lengths - knee-length skirts are to attract attention to the legs. Eyes then move easily up the legs to… All my skirts come to just a couple inches above the ground (my personal preference). Last I heard the proper length was no more than 8 inches above the ankle, or below the knee. Don’t quote me on that last statement, I’m not entirely sure."

Who says 8"? Who is this authority? I wear short skirts because they are comfortable, it is hard to find attractive long skirts, long skirts are tighter around your … and hips and to me that would be more of a distraction. I really don’t get the attraction to legs. (Maybe that is just because I am a girl?) Also I am only 5’3" I have yet to find a store that sells “long” skirts for people as short as me. I don’t mind people wearing long skirts, I just don’t think that skirts around the knee are bad, and I don’t see any evidence that proves me wrong.

LATINMASSLOVER"I’m not saying there aren’t exceptions because there are. Every rule has an exception. Look at Judith in the Old Testament. And St. Joan of Arc. Exceptions have turned into the norm, and things only get worse from there."

Sure, there are exceptions to every rule, like you wearing pants because you think they will protect you. Don’t you think the rapists of the world are more likely to attack a woman who is immodest? If pants are immodest, don’t you think these men are more likely to attack you?

Yours Through Our Lady,
Margarite

PS: What is wrong with a woman studying to be a CPA, Architect, Engineering? I know a group of the most wonderful nuns in Alabama (The Sister Servants) who have a sister who knows the ins and outs of construction, well they are building a new convent and church and she has saved them Very Very much $$$. Now I personally would never want to be in construction, but obviously God used this education to benefit the nuns. By the way these nuns are very feminine (even the construction nun (I think her name is Sr. Louisa)).

 

[dixieagle]

Is that what the Church teaches? The very traditional nuns who ran my all girls, very conservative school taught us that we are called by God to the religious life, married life or single life. Did they teach me wrong?

Well, then the wonderful 1950’s Sisters of St. Joseph who taught me, taught me wrong, too.

“Vocation” simply means “calling.” Clearly, there are some people who are not called to marriage or to life as a priest, deacon sister or brother. Frankly, the intimation that the only vocations are “marriage or the consecrated life” is grossly insensitive and plain wrong. I have known so many wonderful single people - men and women - who have been blessings to their families, communities and parishes, and who have been clearly called by God to live their lives as a single person. Shame on anyone suggesting these people are “incomplete.”

 

[latinmasslover]

St. Paul says that the single life is the best life.

He refers to women remaining single in consecrating their life to God. I do not deny that it is the higher calling.

Didn’t your mother ever yell at you? I think most mothers do yell at their kids one time or another and it is not wrong for them to do so.

Sure she yelled at me. It’s not a sin, but it shows a loss of control.

What does this mean?

My comment about women running was more of a sports comment - we shouldn’t be horsing around, etc.

Here you are stating your opinion, I am asking what is wrong, not what you don’t like. I find pants to be much more modest, much more comfortable, much easier to get around in, much less likely to fly up, much better at keeping me warm, much better at covering up my extra weight…etc.

Pants are for men, skirts are for women. Pants are not more modest, unless compared with a short skirt.

Who says 8"? Who is this authority? I wear short skirts because they are comfortable, it is hard to find attractive long skirts, long skirts are tighter around your … and hips and to me that would be more of a distraction. I really don’t get the attraction to legs. (Maybe that is just because I am a girl?) Also I am only 5’3" I have yet to find a store that sells “long” skirts for people as short as me. I don’t mind people wearing long skirts, I just don’t think that skirts around the knee are bad, and I don’t see any evidence that proves me wrong.

I think the 8 inches was mandated as the minimum by St. Pio. Not Church teaching, but saintly words. Bl. Jacinta Marto warned against upcoming fashions. My sister does all her shopping at thrift stores and she’s never had a problem find skirts that go to the ankle. She’s 5’2".

Sure, there are exceptions to every rule, like you wearing pants because you think they will protect you. Don’t you think the rapists of the world are more likely to attack a woman who is immodest? If pants are immodest, don’t you think these men are more likely to attack you?

The “average” rapist will get what he can, what will work for him with the least chance of getting caught. Skirts are not immodest, unless they’re short or have a slit up the side, are beaded (as in, nothing but beads) etc. I do not wear pants to work for protection, just to be less of a temptation as a woman - it’s easier to go up a skirt than unfastening a belt and undoing buttons. “Immodest” is probably not a good description of pants, but unfeminine. I hate pants, but sometimes I feel they’re necessary. Some work places require them.

PS: What is wrong with a woman studying to be a CPA, Architect, Engineering? I know a group of the most wonderful nuns in Alabama (The Sister Servants) who have a sister who knows the ins and outs of construction, well they are building a new convent and church and she has saved them Very Very much $$$. Now I personally would never want to be in construction, but obviously God used this education to benefit the nuns. By the way these nuns are very feminine (even the construction nun (I think her name is Sr. Louisa)).

That would mean that the woman is career oriented, and career oriented women are not good mothers of good Christians. Before anyone bites my head of for this, it does not apply to all. But getting “up there” in the work world doesn’t encourage feminine behavior, which is why we say if a woman must work she should keep it in a feminine field, where her natural, God given talents can flourish. Many women with the prestigious jobs look down on true femininity, they “preach” that a woman is worthless if she doesn’t aspire to be a man.

 

[latinmasslover]

St. Paul says that the single life is the best life.

He refers to women remaining single in consecrating their life to God. I do not deny that it is the higher calling.

Didn’t your mother ever yell at you? I think most mothers do yell at their kids one time or another and it is not wrong for them to do so.

Sure she yelled at me. It’s not a sin, but it shows a loss of control.

What does this mean?

My comment about women running was more of a sports comment - we shouldn’t be horsing around, etc.

Here you are stating your opinion, I am asking what is wrong, not what you don’t like. I find pants to be much more modest, much more comfortable, much easier to get around in, much less likely to fly up, much better at keeping me warm, much better at covering up my extra weight…etc.

Pants are for men, skirts are for women. Pants are not more modest, unless compared with a short skirt.

Who says 8"? Who is this authority? I wear short skirts because they are comfortable, it is hard to find attractive long skirts, long skirts are tighter around your … and hips and to me that would be more of a distraction. I really don’t get the attraction to legs. (Maybe that is just because I am a girl?) Also I am only 5’3" I have yet to find a store that sells “long” skirts for people as short as me. I don’t mind people wearing long skirts, I just don’t think that skirts around the knee are bad, and I don’t see any evidence that proves me wrong.

I think the 8 inches was mandated as the minimum by St. Pio. Not Church teaching, but saintly words. Bl. Jacinta Marto warned against upcoming fashions. My sister does all her shopping at thrift stores and she’s never had a problem find skirts that go to the ankle. She’s 5’2".

Sure, there are exceptions to every rule, like you wearing pants because you think they will protect you. Don’t you think the rapists of the world are more likely to attack a woman who is immodest? If pants are immodest, don’t you think these men are more likely to attack you?

The “average” rapist will get what he can, what will work for him with the least chance of getting caught. Skirts are not immodest, unless they’re short or have a slit up the side, are beaded (as in, nothing but beads) etc. I do not wear pants to work for protection, just to be less of a temptation as a woman - it’s easier to go up a skirt than unfastening a belt and undoing buttons. “Immodest” is probably not a good description of pants, but unfeminine. I hate pants, but sometimes I feel they’re necessary. Some work places require them.

PS: What is wrong with a woman studying to be a CPA, Architect, Engineering? I know a group of the most wonderful nuns in Alabama (The Sister Servants) who have a sister who knows the ins and outs of construction, well they are building a new convent and church and she has saved them Very Very much $$$. Now I personally would never want to be in construction, but obviously God used this education to benefit the nuns. By the way these nuns are very feminine (even the construction nun (I think her name is Sr. Louisa)).

That would mean that the woman is career oriented, and career oriented women are not good mothers of good Christians. Before anyone bites my head of for this, it does not apply to all. But getting “up there” in the work world doesn’t encourage feminine behavior, which is why we say if a woman must work she should keep it in a feminine field, where her natural, God given talents can flourish. Many women with the prestigious jobs look down on true femininity, they “preach” that a woman is worthless if she doesn’t aspire to be a man.

 

[Margarite]

1 Corinthians 7:6-10
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6* But I speak this by indulgence, not by commandment. 7 For I would that all men were even as myself: but every one hath his proper gift from God; one after this manner, and another after that. 8 But I say to the unmarried, and to the widows: It is good for them if they so continue, even as I. 9 But if they do not contain themselves, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to be burnt. 10 But to them that are married, not I but the Lord commandeth, that the wife depart not from her husband.

 

[lak611]

latinmasslover:
What is wrong with being career oriented if one is single? Once women are past a certain age, if they are still single, most likely they will always be.

 

[latinmasslover]

What is wrong with being career oriented if one is single? Once women are past a certain age, if they are still single, most likely they will always be.

I understand what you’re saying, however I’ve been awake for almost 24 hours straight and don’t trust myself now to respond with much clarity. Tomorrow I’ll give an answer. Take care.

 

[latinmasslover]

1 Corinthians 7:6-10
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6* But I speak this by indulgence, not by commandment. 7 For I would that all men were even as myself: but every one hath his proper gift from God; one after this manner, and another after that. 8 But I say to the unmarried, and to the widows: It is good for them if they so continue, even as I. 9 But if they do not contain themselves, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to be burnt. 10 But to them that are married, not I but the Lord commandeth, that the wife depart not from her husband.

Excellent post, totally agree. Maybe my emphasis should’ve been on mothers working. I’m so tired. I’ll clarify all tomorrow or late tonight. Point out my sleep infested responses and i’ll address them soon.

 

[seekerz]

The quotes are messed up. I did not post that!

My deepest apologies, you certainly didn’t post that. I initially included the wrong quote somehow, then cut and pasted the correct one but mistakenly left the original name. (Hope that makes sense).

 

[lak611]

My deepest apologies, you certainly didn’t post that. I initially included the wrong quote somehow, then cut and pasted the correct one but mistakenly left the original name. (Hope that makes sense).

Thanks for the explanation. It’s ok. :hug1:

 

[Kelly]

PS: What is wrong with a woman studying to be a CPA, Architect, Engineering? I know a group of the most wonderful nuns in Alabama (The Sister Servants) who have a sister who knows the ins and outs of construction, well they are building a new convent and church and she has saved them Very Very much $$$. Now I personally would never want to be in construction, but obviously God used this education to benefit the nuns. By the way these nuns are very feminine (even the construction nun (I think her name is Sr. Louisa)).

The Sister Servants of the Eternal Word in Birmingham are indeed wonderful and very holy women. Here is a link to their website:sisterservants.com/sisters.html. Be forewarned you may see some nuns performing “man’s work”
The “Construction Nun” is Sister John Paul, she was a construction contracter and an architect before entering the convent. I feel certain that the education and work experience she gained prior to her life as a sister was ordained by God for her future in the convent.

 

[dixieagle]

The Sister Servants of the Eternal Word in Birmingham are indeed wonderful and very holy women. Here is a link to their website:sisterservants.com/sisters.html. Be forewarned you may see some nuns performing “man’s work”
The “Construction Nun” is Sister John Paul, she was a construction contracter and an architect before entering the convent. I feel certain that the education and work experience she gained prior to her life as a sister was ordained by God for her future in the convent.

Excellent post, wonderful link. There has been way too much nonsense posted about appropriate “women’s work.”

 

[GerardP]

The Sister Servants of the Eternal Word in Birmingham are indeed wonderful and very holy women. Here is a link to their website:sisterservants.com/sisters.html. Be forewarned you may see some nuns performing “man’s work”
The “Construction Nun” is Sister John Paul, she was a construction contracter and an architect before entering the convent. I feel certain that the education and work experience she gained prior to her life as a sister was ordained by God for her future in the convent.

And you don’t see any “oddities” concerning this? Why don’t you look up some other traditional orders and see how they comport themselves?

When women do men’s work, it’s usually for two reasons. The women have abandoned their feminity or the men have abandoned their masculinity.

Too many priests are sissies naming themselves after Mary (instead of a masculine variant) a bad idea coming from France and Ireland and too many nuns are taking male names.

I remember as a child wondering why the nuns would take male names instead of honoring Our Lady or other female saints. Of course, sometimes you would eventually find out why they were picking up men’s names and acting like men.

This is part of the problem where people don’t recognize the liberal elements that are promoted on EWTN. They have an attitude that EWTN is somehow the standard for orthodoxy and living a Catholic life. While healthier than the average parish, it is still far from ideal.

 

[Biblioassistant]

And you don’t see any “oddities” concerning this?

Nope, not at all. Remember the Parable of the Talents.

I remember as a child wondering why the nuns would take male names instead of honoring Our Lady or other female saints. Of course, sometimes you would eventually find out why they were picking up men’s names and acting like men

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My very holy aunts Sister Joseph Leo and Sister Mary Stephen would take umbridge at that.

 

[lak611]

Too many priests are sissies naming themselves after Mary (instead of a masculine variant) a bad idea coming from France and Ireland and too many nuns are taking male names.

Do you consider the Cure of Ars to be a “sissy” saint because he named himself after Mary?

 

[GerardP]

Do you consider the Cure of Ars to be a “sissy” saint because he named himself after Mary?

He named himself?

 

[GerardP]

Nope, not at all. Remember the Parable of the Talents.

What about it? Are you saying that a girl with a talent for striptease or ultimate fighting should develop it for God’s glory?

My very holy aunts Sister Joseph Leo and Sister Mary Stephen would take umbridge at that.

Why did they name themselves after men? Why not Josephine Leonora or Stephanie?

 

[lak611]

He named himself?

Ok, I am mistaken on him. That was his baptismal name. However, what about St. Maximilian Mary Kolbe? Do you consider him to be a “sissy” Saint? From this article:

In 1910, Kolbe was allowed to enter the novitiate. He professed his first vows in 1911, adopting the name Maximilian, and the final vows in 1914, in Rome, adopting the names Maximilian Maria, to show his veneration of the Blessed Virgin Mary.

 

[stmaria]

It’s not when Catholics became fundamentalists. It’s when did Catholics become such humanists that they’ve lost the sense of masculinity and femininity?
Gender blurring and gender neutrality is ultimately an attack on the Trinity by way of redefining male and female as God created them into an interchangeable mix that allows same sex pairings (they can’t be couples) and other abhorrations.
When the society, the family and the individual lose sight of the nature that God created in them, the Trinity ceases to be accessible to them.

After reading through this thread is seems to me that St. Mary’s academy and the SSPX community there in Kansas City are simply trying their best to live a Catholic way of life in a very hostile secular world.
Seems to me that most of the posters can’t refrain from making fun of their belief system. I support them. And God bless them for raising their children in such a traditional Catholic setting.
What Gerald posted above seemed familiar to me. I recall Our Blessed Mother at Fatima saying ,“Certain fashions are being introduced that offend Our Lord very much” and that Communism would continue to spread errors. Little by little those “fashions” have become acceptable even to Catholics. And these errors of communism have also become a part of our secular society.
*DIVINI REDEMPTORIS *Pius XI
“Communists hold the principle of absolute equality, rejecting all hierarchy and divinely-constituted authority, including the authority of parents. … Refusing to human life any sacred or spiritual character, such a doctrine logically makes of marriage and the family a purely artificial and civil institution… There exists no matrimonial bond of a juridico-moral nature that is not subject to the whim of the individual or of the collectivity. Naturally, therefore, the notion of an indissoluble marriage-tie is scouted. Communism is particularly characterized by the rejection of any link that binds woman to the family and the home, and her emancipation is proclaimed as a basic principle. She is withdrawn from the family and the care of her children, to be thrust instead into public life and collective production under the same conditions as man.”