SSPX Reconciliation

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Funny, Iam a tradional Catholic myself, and I do not go on and on
about the council of Trent. The point about this post is to ask people
if they’d like to see a positive outcome with the meeting, not to talk
about who says what about the council of Trent. I’d like to keep it
to the point about the question. By the way, does anyone have any news about the meeting that was supposed to be held today in Rome?
 
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JKirkLVNV:
The Novus Ordo was disgusting to them and they felt it offended Christ?!?! And YOU feel the same way? You “traditionalists” are always going on about Trent. The Council of Trent said this:“If anyone says that the ceremonies, vestments and outward signs, which the Catholic Church uses in the celebration of Masses, are incentives to impiety rather than the services of piety:** let him be anathema.”** (Session XXII, canon 7, Denz. 954.).
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I’ve seen some real ugly vestments.
 
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JKirkLVNV:
The Novus Ordo was disgusting to them and they felt it offended Christ?!?! And YOU feel the same way? You “traditionalists” are always going on about Trent. The Council of Trent said this:“If anyone says that the ceremonies, vestments and outward signs, which the Catholic Church uses in the celebration of Masses, are incentives to impiety rather than the services of piety:** let him be anathema.”** (Session XXII, canon 7, Denz. 954.).

Further, the SSPX are in schism. Otherwise, they wouldn’t have to be reconciled, would they?
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Your the first person on this thread to mention the Council of Trent.
 
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Marilena:
Funny, Iam a tradional Catholic myself, and I do not go on and on
about the council of Trent. The point about this post is to ask people
if they’d like to see a positive outcome with the meeting, not to talk
about who says what about the council of Trent. I’d like to keep it
to the point about the question. By the way, does anyone have any news about the meeting that was supposed to be held today in Rome?
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I was responding to the post about the Mass of Paul VI being “offensive” to Christ. If the rock doesn’t have your name on it, don’t pick it up.
 
I want a reconciliation because there should be only the ONE Catholic church. When the Catholic church strarts to break apart, then we become no better than the Protestants with their 30,000+ denominations.
 
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Marilena:
Funny, Iam a tradional Catholic myself, and I do not go on and on
about the council of Trent. The point about this post is to ask people
if they’d like to see a positive outcome with the meeting, not to talk
about who says what about the council of Trent. I’d like to keep it
to the point about the question. By the way, does anyone have any news about the meeting that was supposed to be held today in Rome?
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I was responding to the post where the Pauline Mass was described as “offensive” to Christ. And I simply defended the Mass and the Church that promulgated it. If a rock doesn’t have your name on it, then don’t pick it up.
 
**General Notice
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The topic of this thread is addressing a possible reconciliation of the SSPX group with Rome. It is not to disparage the Novus Ordo Missae. If there are any further remarks of a negative nature about either liturgical rite the thread will be closed. Please limit your remarks to the subject. Your cooperation will be appreciated.

It may be well to ponder what one of our posters has written about the Mass:

“The Novus Ordo Mass is neither less authentic nor holy than the Tridentine Mass; each, as a service of worship directed to God, has its own intrinsic holiness when served faithfully and reverently. To the extent that abuses exist within either, they must needs be addressed; but the form is only that - an external; ultimately, worship comes from within oneself, one’s heart and soul. That said, any valid celebration of the Mass is a recreation of the Last Supper and cannot be other than intrinsically holy, albeit it may be licit or illicit, depending on the circumstances surrounding its service. The Church can and does judge its validity, as well as its licity; the former being established, it is an impossibility for it to be “sinful”. The sinfulness, if any (and that is for God’s judgment, not ours) lays in the disobedience of lawful spiritual authority by the presbyter who elects not to submit to the authority of the Pope…”
 
As outlined below there can be no reconciliation as SSPX and the one holy catholic & apostolic church as they are different religions.

SSPX would have to repent of their heresy before they could be in communion with the Church:

VATICAN HAS REPLACED FAITH, SSPX BISHOP CHARGES

Mar. 17 (CWNews.com) - A bishop of the traditionalist Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) has said that he and Vatican officials “belong to two different religions.”

In a monthly email message to supporters, Bishop Richard Williamson disclosed that he made that observation to Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos, the prefect of the Congregation for the Clergy, during a meeting in Rome in August 2000. When Cardinal Castillon Hoyos replied that he and the SSPX leader shared a common faith in the Eucharist and the doctrines of the Catholic Church, Bishop Williamson recalled, he answered that “we do and we don’t; mainly we don’t.”

Bishop Williamson is one of the four bishops who were ordained by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre in June 1988 in defiance of orders from the Vatican. The illicit ordinations prompted the Vatican to announce a sentence of excommunication on Archbishop Lefebvre and the bishops he consecrated.

Since 2000, Vatican officials have conducted a series of talks with SSPX leaders, hoping to restore full communion with the breakaway traditionalists. During a February 13 meeting with leaders of the Roman Curia, Pope Benedict XVI reportedly introduced a concrete plan for reconciliation; discussion of that plan was expected to continue on March 23 when the Pope meets with the College of Cardinals. But the words of Bishop Williamson make it clear that some SSPX leaders will resist any bid to restore normal ties with Rome.

In his March message, Bishop Williamson said that Vatican officials have forsaken the traditional Catholic faith since Vatican II. Concentrating his criticism on the belief in religious freedom, the traditionalist leader said: “Whether they realize it or not, they are replacing the religion of God’s truth with the religion of man’s liberty, because religious liberty is the underpinning of their beliefs.”

The commitment to religious liberty, Bishop Williamson continued, “undermines all objective truth in order to set up the religion of man.” True Catholicism, he said, does not exalt religious freedom but “condemns the errors of the world.”

Bishop Williamson, a native of England who now serves in Argentina, is generally regarded as the SSPX leader most hostile to Vatican entreaties. Bishop Bernard Fellay, the superior of the traditionalist group, has held “cordial” talks with Pope Benedict, but continued to insist that the SSPX cannot accept Vatican II teachings on religious freedom, ecumenism, and liturgical renewal.
 
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Marilena:
Simply ask your diocese where they hold an approved Latin Mass. Then meet with the priest there, and take it from there 🙂
Best wishes to you and yours! 👍
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Ah yes, thank you my sister in Christ. I am also looking for news about the Vatican meetings per your later post. Anyone know what happened?
 
Marian Carroll said:
**General Notice
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The topic of this thread is addressing a possible reconciliation of the SSPX group with Rome. It is not to disparage the Novus Ordo Missae. If there are any further remarks of a negative nature about either liturgical rite the thread will be closed. Please limit your remarks to the subject. Your cooperation will be appreciated.

Thank you. 👍
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srp643:
Does anyone know if I can get a TLM for my wedding if my Church is not currently celebrating the TLM? Wow would that make me a happy guy! I hesitate to indulge in such a fantasy.

Dominus vobiscum.
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Where are you?

St. Mary of the Assumption in downtown Fort Worth, TX has TLM.
 
I’m all for it. Anything that heals a breach within the Church is a good thing. I hope that it comes about soon, but I don’t know how much the SSPX really wants it to happen.

I was speaking with a co-worker who told me he has recently begun to attend Mass almost exclusively at the SSPX chapel near Ft. Lauderdale. He said that recently there was an announcement made after Mass regarding the upcoming talks, and the gist of it was the SSPX Bishop has said there will be no negotiation-- either the Vatican accepts them as they are, and allows them to continue to teach as they do, or there there will remain animosity between the 2.

After saying all that, my co-worker still insisted that there is no schism, and the SSPX are 100 percent in communion with Rome. So I asked him, if that were the case, what were the 2 sides working towards? If there is no schism, there is no need for reconcilliation. He says he personally would like to see a healing take place, and again I asked if there were no breach, why the need for a healing? He gave me a very quizzical look and just said he would have to talk that one over with his SSPX friends.

In light of that conversation, I would have to say the people who voted no in this poll may just be under the same impression that my co-worker is-- that there is no schism, and therefore no need for reconcilliation; rather than thinking that there is no need to heal the existing separation.
 
I dearly love the Tridentine Mass, and really want the rift to be healed
and hope that the SSPX will be reconciled as soon as possible. i will look into the Bishop thing. That I’d like to know.
 
I voted other.

It depends on the form the reconciliation would take.
 
Marian Carroll said:
General Notice

The topic of this thread is addressing a possible reconciliation of the SSPX group with Rome. It is not to disparage the Novus Ordo Missae. If there are any further remarks of a negative nature about either liturgical rite the thread will be closed. Please limit your remarks to the subject. Your cooperation will be appreciated.

It may be well to ponder what one of our posters has written about the Mass:

“The Novus Ordo Mass is neither less authentic nor holy than the Tridentine Mass; each, as a service of worship directed to God, has its own intrinsic holiness when served faithfully and reverently. To the extent that abuses exist within either, they must needs be addressed; but the form is only that - an external; ultimately, worship comes from within oneself, one’s heart and soul. That said, any valid celebration of the Mass is a recreation of the Last Supper and cannot be other than intrinsically holy, albeit it may be licit or illicit, depending on the circumstances surrounding its service. The Church can and does judge its validity, as well as its licity; the former being established, it is an impossibility for it to be “sinful”. The sinfulness, if any (and that is for God’s judgment, not ours) lays in the disobedience of lawful spiritual authority by the presbyter who elects not to submit to the authority of the Pope…”
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God bless you, Marian!
 
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the above blog site does a good job keep abreast the latest in the reconciliation between the sspx and rome. sounds like the latest news is that the pope and cardinals have agreed to giving the pope the reign in doing what is neccisary to bring the sspx back to the fold.

perhaps even a lessing of the restriction to the 62’ missal is in the works as well. it sounds like good news as we need the sspx to keep the church well balanced like we need the eastern orthodox churches. the days of wacky do it yourself liturgies may be comming to an end and the new springtime may be soon. God bless B16, we are too fortunate to have him as our pope.
 
Before I knew the SSPX was in schism, I attended several of their Masses with my brother. It is a very beautiful (illicit) Mass.

I welcome reconcilliation. Their traditionalism will be very good for the Catholic Church. In many ways we have strayed too far away from the beauty and tradition of our faith. Best of all, we will be able to attend their Masses and know they are licit.

And so many, including 3 members of my own family, will no longer be in schism 🙂
 
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paramedicgirl:
Before I knew the SSPX was in schism, I attended several of their Masses with my brother. It is a very beautiful (illicit) Mass.

I welcome reconcilliation. Their traditionalism will be very good for the Catholic Church. In many ways we have strayed too far away from the beauty and tradition of our faith.
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:amen:
 
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