If you can get a hold of his talks that he gave in the USA on ecumenism, he refers to Vatican II as authoritative many times, in Washington and in New York.
If he were allowed to sign something that he didn’t know what he was signing, that would have been fraud and I highly doubt that someone as holy as Paul VI would have allowed such nonsense.
But the fact of the matter is Catharina…I DO NOT BLAME my parents, and if you reread what I wrote, you will see that I said they were included amongst the “worst offenders” of all, but nowhere did I lay blame on them. So, spare the lecture please. I do not blame anyone for the time in history that I have been born. The reminder to me about the commandment to honor our parents is not only out of line, but really quite stupid as you do not know me nor do you know anything about me.
You said: "**I am sick to death of those who think that everything is hunky dory…the worst, and
Here is a little lesson for you catharina…
The later document was given two months later. While there are diseases that can affect someone that quickly, I have not come across any reason to believe that the Cardinal was not in full control of his faculties. If he were not, then what is called into question for me is not the authenticity of the later document of his, but the former as the time between the two is so small.
As an aside…since you FALSELY presented my words as above, for the record, this is how they actually appeared:
I am sorry if this truly was your experience, but in my short 24 years, I have not had any experience remotely similar to this. Growing up, going to Catholic school, being something of a deaconate brat, I was raised with Mary being the most important woman in my life. In Catholic school, the month of October was always dedicated to learning about the Rosary, and this was done with little diagrams showing how to pray it, the various prayers, and a brief history. May was always the May crowning. I remember in 4th grade spending time learning about the dispute over Mary as the Mother of Christ vs Mother of God. In 5th grade, we learned the Angelus and recited it daily. In first and second, learning about Fatima and Lourdes, the Immaculate Conception, and the need to say the Rosary daily to prevent souls from falling into hell. That was my upbringing.
This was TRULY my experience. Why would I lie? I learned the Angelus too, two years ago that is, when I made the change to tradition. I am inspired by your upbringing…it was not there for me as a child, as a young adult, as a young married woman. I had to find my way back to the church and then to tradition, after many years of wondering what didn’t seem right about it all. I am sorry for your unbelief in what is reality for me and countless others. I saw more people leave the church, more families break apart, most of my friends and peers drift away from the church and morality than I care to think about. I am a product of my era, I can vouch for what happened, I experienced it first hand…and members of my family and all of my siblings, save one, are living examples of it all.
I didn’t change a single word and I didn’t change the sequence.
Beautiful post - and your education sounds similar to my own - though forty years apart.
I’m not asking you to deny anything. I won’t deny that it was a tumultuous time…if I spelt that word right. I don’t mean to sound bratty, but my experience has been that much of this is the baby-boomer generation, rebelling for the sake of rebelling. There are many people my age, and younger (a lot more younger) who are not like this at all. Watch out for the Priests in their 20’s and 30’s as I find that they’re fairly no-non-sense. It’s not very obvious right now, but there are a lot of people in my generation who are fed up with the way that the older generation has watered down things and want a genuine application of the Second Vatican Council, which we see in Benedict XVI. Even the Pope says that we’re only NOW getting into the actual application of the Council as much that happened prior was people ignoring the faith. I am sorry for your experience, I really am, and I know that experiences like this were rampent at one time, but this is not the Council nor the Magesterium.
You are absolutely right in saying that much of it can be attributed to the baby boomer generation. However, that is just the tip of the iceberg. Really, it is as I have said, that the problems began long before Vatican II. In reality, they began with the French Revolution. Modernism only culminated with Vatican II, it had been undercover and at work in the church for years. That is why I have stated that my very own parents, and even grandparents, were already being changed by the attitudes of the churchmen and the acceptance of the modern errors, the letting down of their guard, and the pressure of the times.
Don’t bother feeling sorry for me, catharina. You misunderstood my words.
Thank you for saying that you realize I misunderstood your words.
No problem.
You don’t have to justify yourself. This is the Internet, and this discussion was intended to be about ideas, not individuals.
I hope you won’t mind, then, replying to my threads in the future. There are things about Vatican II that I don’t understand (that doesn’t equal disagreement).
Unfortunately for myself, my experience with the Church largely mirrors yours in some aspects.