SSPX update?

[Dee_S]

Your conciliatory sentiments are admirable- and shared.

When I first called the SSPX Chapel to inquire whether the Mass times I found on the SSPX website were still current, the man I spoke with expressed great concern that I might get into hot water with the Diocese over my attending an SSPX Mass. I was perplexed by his humility as this was not the haughty, rebellious attitude I had been led to expect. Anyway, after attending Mass there and seeing how humble and unpretentious it all was I totally agree that these folks need to be repatriated, and soon. I think that they will easily see how worthy the amazing Benedict XVI is to lead us, once they are completely back in the fold. I would guess that, as you infer, most of them see it already- how could they not? Our Pope is a living saint already, imho.

:thankyou:thank you & :thumbsup:well said!

 

[Dee_S]

And thanks for posting this, Dee. I’d seen it once before, but it was well worth seeing again. The last 10 seconds are most telling- Bishop Fellay speaks from his heart when he refers to Benedict XVI as the Holy Father. He acknowledges our pope’s tremendous personal investment in the reconciliation process. I think it is clear that Bishop Fellay wants it to happen too.

It is, as you say, well worth seeing again.Will keep him in my prayers

 

[Dee_S]

When Catholics sided with him, he wasn’t into power yet. Franco persecutions to socialists came after the civil war ended and he began his government. How people would know what things he would did in the future? When he came to aid, people saw a hero against the Red Terror.

“What he stood for…” defense of Catholicism, and Spain. These were the ideals he was supporting. He wasn’t perfect, but way better than the genodical marxists.

When dealing with conservative politics, or Catholicism, wikipedia is mostly biased towards cultural marxism and liberalism. So is no surprise that Franco gets lots of criticism while the other band doesn’t.

And yes, cultural marxism won. Because that, they rewrite history in schools and universities, just like thier Soviet precursors.

Also, peace talks? the socialists wanted the complete anihilation of Catholicism and traditional culture from the face of Spain. I doubt that a peace talk have worked with such bloodthirsty people. I have seen the photos of martyrs, I have read the testimonies. These people were some of the worst killers in the XX century. I hope you are not downplaying or misunderstanding the size of the threat they were (and in certain way, still, because the marxists and anarchists in Latin America and Spain are threatening again with the Church burnings and hateful discourse).

For example, see what they did Nomvember 1st in Argentina, various socialist, pro homosexuality, pro abortion and feminist groups threatened to attack the Cathedral of Buenos Aires. They threw poles, excrement, and bottles to the Catholics stationed there to defend the Cathedral. Make no mistake, these people want us and our religion dead.

In Spanish:

info-caotica.blogspot.com/2012/11/cronica-visual-de-la-defensa-de-la.html

As expected, the local media sided with the socialist, and lied about the nature of the conflict.

In Colombia, similar groups burned a cross and photos of the Attorney General in the capital main plaza, because his opposition to abortion and same sex “marriage”. Now, one well known abortionist, is in a complot with various groups and interantional NGOs to prevent his election to a second term. Also, various newspapers are lying about him, and trying to present him as a dangerous fanatic because he is Catholic. Sadly, the media persecution to Catholicism has begun.

In Spanish:

aciprensa.com/noticias/monica-roa-y-lobby-del-aborto-orquestan-maniobra-internacional-contra-procurador-de-colombia-52285/

Blessings!

Hi. I’m sorry I see you feel very strongly about this and I was possibly being a little too abstract in my reasoning. As we know, evil will flourish when good men do nothing so it’s not really for me to judge the mysterious workings of Providence. I suppose the best we can all do in this life, is to keep close to Our Lord no matter where we find ourselves, and be prepared to suffer for the cause of good. How each of us does that is something we have to work out with the help of the Holy Spirit as we go along.

Pity I’m not much of a history buff or we could have discussed much more.
God bless:knight2: you.

 

[Moore11]

Dee,
I have disagreed with you in the past. I have gotten all hot and bothered by some of your posts but the last few exchanges I have read from you are amazing. You exhibit humility, hope, and a balanced view of things. I know you have had some personal dealings with the SSPX and those experiences have sometimes made for, shall we say, spirited writing. But I have absolutely enjoyed and admired your recent exchanges.

I will use them as an example to myself.

Just thought you needed a kudos for the day!

 

[Dee_S]

Just a point of info: Catholic Family News which you can find on the web has had articles keeping its readers up to date on this topic. Maybe if you click onto the site you will find these articles archived.

cfnews.org/sspx-obl.htm

here is a start.

Sorry, but do you realise what an offensive link this is? John Vennari and his organization called Catholic Family Ministries is a designated hate group.

Seems to me to fit the criteria for one that would be banned on CAF!!

Here is an extract which gives information about John Vennari - not a very nice person nor is what he stands for. The Holy Family Monastery is also rabidly anti Vatican II & quite offensive and wacky…they are presently also rabidly anti-John Vennnari who is operating independantly from them now.

CATHOLIC FAMILY NEWS**/CATHOLIC FAMILY MINISTRIES, INC.
Niagara Falls, N.Y.
**Catholic Family Ministries, which publishes the monthly Catholic Family News (CFN), is run by John Vennari, a former monk at the Holy Family Monastery in Berlin, N.J., who says he is now part of the official Vatican press corps. Vennari is a contributor to the radical traditionalist book We Resist You to the Face, whose last sentence tells reader that the Catholic Church is afflicted with “Jewish errors.” In his CFN newspaper in 2003, Vennari called Judaism “part of the Kingdom of Satan” and accused the Talmud of “teaching of contempt” for Christ. His newspaper also regularly publishes columns by Joseph Sobran, who was fired by the conservative National Review over his anti-Semitism and has written for the Journal of Historical Review, a leading Holocaust denial publication. Vennari has also accused the church of being overrun by homosexuals. But he is probably best known for his exposition of the so-called Judeo-Masonic conspiracy theory, which claims that Jewish Masons have been infiltrating the church since the 1700s in order to destroy the institution and install a puppet in the Vatican. Vennari’s booklet on this topic, The Permanent Instruction of the Alta Vendita, is essential reading in radical traditionalist circles. CFN holds yearly conferences that feature prominent Catholic extremists including American Catholic Lawyers Association head Christopher Ferrara (see The New Crusaders), Father Nicholas Gruner, and Michael Matt. At the 2003 CFN conference, Vennari decried Vatican ecumenical outreach as “pandering to other faiths, especially Jews.” Vendors at CFN conferences have sold wildly anti-Semitic books including The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and Hilaire Beloc’s The Jews.

Anyone doubting the veracity of the above extract can do their own research, as I prefer not to post links to offensive sites.

 

[CesarAugustus]

Hi. I’m sorry I see you feel very strongly about this and I was possibly being a little too abstract in my reasoning. As we know, evil will flourish when good men do nothing so it’s not really for me to judge the mysterious workings of Providence. I suppose the best we can all do in this life, is to keep close to Our Lord no matter where we find ourselves, and be prepared to suffer for the cause of good. How each of us does that is something we have to work out with the help of the Holy Spirit as we go along.

Pity I’m not much of a history buff or we could have discussed much more.
God bless:knight2: you.

Yes. I have devoted various years to study by myself (and with the help of friends, and Priests) Church’s history, genocides, 20th century conflicts and politics, the Middle Ages, etc. I have realized that we are being deceived in schools and university. The situation over here is bad. People are told all types of lies about world history, national history, and Catholicism. And it really gets me that while people know about the nazis, the marxists have good press, -and praise in the media, the liberal circles, etc-, when they share a place with the nazis regarding atrocities. There is a silence about the Red Terror, the Holodomor, the people killed in Siberia, the atheist league destructions of Chruches and monasteries, the Pol Pot massacres, etc. I had to learn that by myself since four or five years ago. And various types of marxists and progressives, are still in goverment in some places. They are still teaching at universities and schools. And they are still fighting Catholicism.

And besides the lies told in history classes, we have the bullying and persecution done by the media, feminist NGO activists, progressives, liberals, etc. If someone dares to criticise or oppose them is ipso facto called a reactionary, fascist (a favourite of them), ultraconservative (another favourite) , ultracatholic… because that, when someone is called with these terms by the media or certain people, in various occasions they are speaking about a good Catholic.

An example of double standard:

FEMEN activists destroyed a Cross that was a memorial of the Holodomor in Ucraine. Local media didn’t reported that. That didn’t caused a worldwide outrage. That hipocrisy is sickening.

And, marxism is not only communism, or socialism, is a materialistic worldview. When I said cultural marxism won, is because their materialism is shared by liberals, centrist, moderates, right wing, etc. Secularism is growing over here. Antonio Gramsci plans are being carried since the last century.

God Bless you too, and thanks for understanding.

 

[Mrs_Sally]

Faithdancer’s description when he attended mass at one of their chapels is on the mark. The faithful are deeply pious people (or they would not be there) who’s love and reverence are beyond doubt and who’s catholic lives are a consolation and example for many. **I think they would be very happy indeed to be reconciled with Rome, **because it is always a worry deep down that they are not. Yes, outwardly and intellectually the excuses and justifications for their position are held to - but inwardly, any true catholic knows and wants acceptance in Holy Mother Church.

There is absolutely nothing stopping them today. Individual Catholics (like you, I assume) can stop exclusively attending SSPX chapels, go to confession, and begin attending licit Masses whenever they are ready. Just as many individual Anglicans (including clergy) converted before the Anglican Use was formalized.

I do understand how difficult it can be to leave a place where you may have grown up and where you feel nutured, but the call to be truly aligned with Peter should be stronger than any outward excuses or justifications.

 

[Dee_S]

Dee,
I have disagreed with you in the past. I have gotten all hot and bothered by some of your posts but the last few exchanges I have read from you are amazing. You exhibit humility, hope, and a balanced view of things. I know you have had some personal dealings with the SSPX and those experiences have sometimes made for, shall we say, spirited writing. But I have absolutely enjoyed and admired your recent exchanges.

I will use them as an example to myself.

Just thought you needed a kudos for the day!

So nice of you to say so :curtsey: and rare praise from one I have sorely tried D)
I do try to convey my thoughts honestly - my apologies to you and now I imagine some others here too - for my lack of tact and/or diplomacy and sometimes just downright grumpiness

Pleased you liked them, it just came from the heart.

 

[Mrs_Sally]

Yes. I have devoted various years to study by myself (and with the help of friends, and Priests) Church’s history, genocides, 20th century conflicts and politics, the Middle Ages, etc.** I have realized that we are being deceived in schools and university. **The situation over here is bad. People are told all types of lies about world history, national history, and Catholicism. And it really gets me that while people know about the nazis, the marxists have good press, -and praise in the media, the liberal circles, etc-, when they share a place with the nazis regarding atrocities. There is a silence about the Red Terror, the Holodomor, the people killed in Siberia, the atheist league destructions of Chruches and monasteries, the Pol Pot massacres, etc. I had to learn that by myself since four or five years ago. And various types of marxists and progressives, are still in goverment in some places. They are still teaching at universities and schools. And they are still fighting Catholicism.

And besides the lies told in history classes, we have the bullying and persecution done by the media, feminist NGO activists, progressives, liberals, etc. If someone dares to criticise or oppose them is ipso facto called a reactionary, fascist (a favourite of them), ultraconservative (another favourite) , ultracatholic… because that, when someone is called with these terms by the media or certain people, in various occasions they are speaking about a good Catholic.

An example of double standard:

FEMEN activists destroyed a Cross that was a memorial of the Holodomor in Ucraine. Local media didn’t reported that. That didn’t caused a worldwide outrage. That hipocrisy is sickening.

And, marxism is not only communism, or socialism, is a materialistic worldview. When I said cultural marxism won, is because their materialism is shared by liberals, centrist, moderates, right wing, etc. Secularism is growing over here. Antonio Gramsci plans are being carried since the last century.

God Bless you too, and thanks for understanding.

Very true. The Catholic/Christian point of view is never the one presented by modern history. Look to the silence about the presecutions in Mexico as another example. Fortunately we have had 5 popes who have lived through these events in Europe and know first hand what was actually happening.

 

[Dee_S]

There is absolutely nothing stopping them today. Individual Catholics (like you, I assume) can stop exclusively attending SSPX chapels, go to confession, and begin attending licit Masses whenever they are ready. Just as many individual Anglicans (including clergy) converted before the Anglican Use was formalized.

I do understand how difficult it can be to leave a place where you may have grown up and where you feel nutured, but the call to be truly aligned with Peter should be stronger than any outward excuses or justifications.

Sorry, but incorrectly assumed. I have been in (what we used to call) the ‘mainstream church’ for the past 10 years. There was no EF available when I moved, so I had no choice.

Does one need to confess that they attended valid but ‘illicit’ masses. First I’ve heard of it, but then again, I stand to be corrected Priests have never brought this up with me.

To tell you briefly. It was a most painful experience, I’m not sure that you could understand unless you have had a similar experience. At the time my priest was, Deo Gratias, so supportive & sympathetic. He likened this change to “crossing the great divide”. It was a very real shock to my spirituality. The many bonds forged by years of praying the Mass in the Tridentine Rite (which is undeniably beautiful and mysterious) were stretched into another shape, different, also fulfilling in time.

That “call to be aligned with Peter” and please Christ is what kept me sitting in the pews month after month, my heart weeping for what was familiar but now no more. And I am, by hobby a war gamer and a mother of four, and reasonably brave and… do I make my point? Your suggestion would not do for the faint hearted. Better what our kind Holy Father did with Summorum Pontificam, for this Rite to be made available to all who want it.

I may be guilty of harsh criticism of the SSPX as an organization, but not of the faithful who for whatever reasons they have, attend the mass in their chapels. God’s grace had it that I returned to the Catholic Faith through one of their priests, I had lapsed for about 10 years - and - His same grace had it that I found my way back to Mother Church.

 

[Phyllo]

Sorry, but do you realise what an offensive link this is? John Vennari and his organization called Catholic Family Ministries is a designated hate group.

Seems to me to fit the criteria for one that would be banned on CAF!!

Here is an extract which gives information about John Vennari - not a very nice person nor is what he stands for. The Holy Family Monastery is also rabidly anti Vatican II & quite offensive and wacky…they are presently also rabidly anti-John Vennnari who is operating independantly from them now.

CATHOLIC FAMILY NEWS**/CATHOLIC FAMILY MINISTRIES, INC.
Niagara Falls, N.Y.
**Catholic Family Ministries, which publishes the monthly Catholic Family News (CFN), is run by John Vennari, a former monk at the Holy Family Monastery in Berlin, N.J., who says he is now part of the official Vatican press corps. Vennari is a contributor to the radical traditionalist book We Resist You to the Face, whose last sentence tells reader that the Catholic Church is afflicted with “Jewish errors.” In his CFN newspaper in 2003, Vennari called Judaism “part of the Kingdom of Satan” and accused the Talmud of “teaching of contempt” for Christ. His newspaper also regularly publishes columns by Joseph Sobran, who was fired by the conservative National Review over his anti-Semitism and has written for the Journal of Historical Review, a leading Holocaust denial publication. Vennari has also accused the church of being overrun by homosexuals. But he is probably best known for his exposition of the so-called Judeo-Masonic conspiracy theory, which claims that Jewish Masons have been infiltrating the church since the 1700s in order to destroy the institution and install a puppet in the Vatican. Vennari’s booklet on this topic, The Permanent Instruction of the Alta Vendita, is essential reading in radical traditionalist circles. CFN holds yearly conferences that feature prominent Catholic extremists including American Catholic Lawyers Association head Christopher Ferrara (see The New Crusaders), Father Nicholas Gruner, and Michael Matt. At the 2003 CFN conference, Vennari decried Vatican ecumenical outreach as “pandering to other faiths, especially Jews.” Vendors at CFN conferences have sold wildly anti-Semitic books including The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and Hilaire Beloc’s The Jews.

Anyone doubting the veracity of the above extract can do their own research, as I prefer not to post links to offensive sites.

Is that all it takes to get banned on CA is differing opinions?

No and I am sorry that you find this link so offensive. This is your opinion. I for one find a lot of the posts here very liberal.

You say that the paper is radically Traditional again your opinion. I find the paper Traditional and find myself most of the time in agreement. I am sorry that that does not meet with your approval. And I will not apologize for being a Traditionalist.

I am under the impression that we can offer up differing opinions on this forum and hopefully learn from each other and not get YELLED at.

God Bless

 

[Dee_S]

You are not getting yelled at. The large bold used was to attract the attention of other’s who post or view on this thread.

Catholic Family News is published by Fr Nicholas Gruner - who is not in good standing with the Church and is in fact suspended. A suspension which has been appealed and has been upheld by the highest court in the Vatican.

“In 1996 the renegade cleric was suspended from his priestly functions by the Bishop of Avellino, Italy-- the diocese in which he had been ordained. Although he appealed the suspension, the appeal was unsuccessful. The Congregation for the Clergy, in its September 12 message, recalls that Father Gruner’s suspension was “confirmed by a definitive sentence of the supreme tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura.””

“VATICAN, Sep 12, 01 (CWNews.com) - The Vatican Congregation for the Clergy has published a reminder that Father Nicholas Gruner, the self-styled leader of the International Fatima Rosary Crusade, has been suspended from priestly ministry and does not have ecclesiastical approval of his activities.”
catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=3793

Whether or not your posting of a link to his publication is banned on CAF would be the decision of the Moderator, not mine.

John Vennari is the editor and reporter for this publication. He does not write of Pope Benedict xvi in a complimentary way…the reason being he is what is known as a radical traditionalist.

Here are some examples of his writings on their site:

Pope Benedict XVI continues to praise “Spirit of Assisi.” How I miss******Archbishop Lefebvre who in 1986 said publicly, clearly and correctly of the Assisi meeting: "He who now sits upon the Throne of Peter mocks publicly the first article of the Creed and the first Commandment of the Decalogue. The scandal given to Catholic souls cannot be measured. The Church is shaken to its very foundation.” - JV****

**
Celebrating a Catastrophe
****The 50th Anniversary of Vatican II
By John Vennari

 

[CesarAugustus]

Oh no, what happened with my answer to Dee S?

Blessings!

 

[poche]

I am still praying and hoping for a reconciliation between the sspx and the Pope.

 

[Faithdancer]

I am still praying and hoping for a reconciliation between the sspx and the Pope.

We all should, and even more so now that the election has revealed how heterodox so many “cafeteria Catholics” are in their thinking. The Church absolutely needs stronger catechism and a return to traditional Catholic values. I’m not saying that the re-inclusion of SSPX is a magic bullet, but something needs to be done to counteract the moral relativism and secularism that has infected the Church, despite the best intentions of the framers of Vatican II- and more traditionalists means a greater emphasis on traditional values, overall.

Pope Benedict XVI wants it, Archbishop Fellay wants it, and I believe it will happen, once they iron out the particulars.

 

[Dee_S]

We all should, and even more so now that the election has revealed how heterodox so many “cafeteria Catholics” are in their thinking. The Church absolutely needs stronger catechism and a return to traditional Catholic values. I’m not saying that the re-inclusion of SSPX is a magic bullet, but something needs to be done to counteract the moral relativism and secularism that has infected the Church, despite the best intentions of the framers of Vatican II- and more traditionalists means a greater emphasis on traditional values, overall.

Pope Benedict XVI wants it, Archbishop Fellay wants it, and I believe it will happen, once they iron out the particulars.

Well put Faithdancer - your summary here identifies the main problems in the Church very neatly. (BTW Bishop Fellay is not an Archbishop)

Your conclusion on the benefit the SSPX will effect, that of “a greater emphasis on traditional values” is quite correct and is very much in line with the desires of the Holy Father, particularly now in the Year of Faith.

The Church does need a stronger catechism. Three of my children have received Confirmation in OF parishes since my return, and seeing the ‘desert of ignorance’ among most of the teachers is at first-hand rather alarming. It sounds unbelievable, but my kids would come back from classes telling me the blunders and sometimes downright contradictory teachings that were taking place. Add to that, they would claim that they were among the small percentage, or sometimes the only ones in the class who actually knew the basics of the CC. Bear in mind they were high school kids that were pre-Confirmation - but their formative years, were in a traditional environment. e.g. My 17 year old son came home one evening and told me that the senior catechism teacher had told them that the first few books of the Bible were no more than a ‘fairy story’. He instinctively disputed this with her and they agreed he would come back the following week with his proofs. Which he did. She was ready for him (must have done some research herself) and was humble enough to concede her lack of knowledge pertaining to how a Catholic is bound/or not to accept these books. When I fetched him that evening, she told me that she had had a very nervous week thinking I was going to berate her….Asking her why she thought this, she said she knows I am traditional and that I know a lot about the Faith (?) She is a very nice, enthusiastic lady who gives much of her time to running the catechism programme and is also a very pious person. Only problem, I think, is her lack of true grounding.

Archbishop Gerhard Müller: ‘The Church Is Not a Fortress’ (6104)

              **In an exclusive two-part interview  with the Register, the new prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine  of the Faith discusses his new job and highlights the Church’s positive  message of hope.**

**by EDWARD PENTIN 10/02/2012
**

http://www.ncregister.com/images/sized/images/ads/Muller(web)-255x255.jpg
What will be your priorities as prefect, in terms of defending doctrine? Will your main focus, for example, be on post-Christian Europe?
Defending the faith is the second task we have. Our primary role is to promote the faith. The Church is not a fortress, but, rather, a sacrament, a sign, a symbol and an instrument for the salvation for all people. The apostles were sent into the world to preach the Gospel and to edify and instill hope in people. So we are the witnesses and missionaries of that faith, hope and love, and this is the first task of the whole Church.
The role of the congregation, therefore, is first and foremost to support that mission of the whole Church. Obviously, to do that today means that we have to defend the faith from the assault of secularism and materialism, which denies the transcendent dimension of human existence and therefore distorts the ethical, moral and intellectual orientation of society.
The Year of Faith begins Oct. 11. What will be your role during this special year?
There will be the Synod of Bishops regarding the Year of Faith in which I will participate, but, clearly, this congregation has its own priorities. Above all we need to address the challenges posed by the so-called new atheism, which in reality is aggressive in its intolerance of Christianity. The new atheists want to establish a world without God, which we can never accept. The Church needs to regain its confidence and once again find her own role in this world. We need to stop looking inward, towards ourselves, always discussing the same inter-ecclesiastical questions. We must concentrate our forces on the New Evangelization, especially in the old Christian countries of the West, which have lost their way a little.

Read more: ncregister.com/daily-news/archbishop-mueller-the-church-is-not-a-fortress/#ixzz2Bc3RLMrl

 

[Faithdancer]

Nice post Dee, thanks for the info. We must indeed come together and defend the faith together. A Catholic Church which stands for everything, will stand for nothing and the teachings of the Church are explicit and non-negotiable. Archbishop Muller succinctly describes our enemy: “the assault of secularism and materialism, which denies the transcendent dimension of human existence and therefore distorts the ethical, moral and intellectual orientation of society.”

I like the way Archbishop Muller ignored the “post-Christian Europe” phrase. Jesus Christ is eternal and there is no such thing as a “post-Christian” anywhere.

And your experience with poorly catechized Catechism teachers seems unfortunately to be shared by many. I’m teaching Confirmation right now, and I pretty much ignore 90% of the book. “Put a rock in the middle of the table and tell the students it stands for God.” What are we teaching them- animism??

And, I have no idea why I elevated Bishop Fellay to Archbishop. Freudian slip?

 

[Mrs_Sally]

Cardinal: Vatican-SSPX talks do not signal toleration of anti-Judaism

VATICAN CITY (CNS) – The effort to reintegrate the traditionalist Society of St. Pius X into the Catholic Church “absolutely does not mean” that the Catholic Church will accept or support the anti-Jewish or anti-Semitic positions espoused by some members of the society, said Cardinal Kurt Koch.

Very clear explanation of the Holy Father’s position on this specific issue.

 

[Dee_S]

Nice post Dee, thanks for the info. We must indeed come together and defend the faith together. A Catholic Church which stands for everything, will stand for nothing and the teachings of the Church are explicit and non-negotiable. Archbishop Muller succinctly describes our enemy: “the assault of secularism and materialism, which denies the transcendent dimension of human existence and therefore distorts the ethical, moral and intellectual orientation of society.”

Spoken like a true :knight2: warrior. All that is needed is more ‘back-bone’ to follow the example of Christ - like His crucifixion, His Church is also non-negotiable

I like the way Archbishop Muller ignored the “post-Christian Europe” phrase. Jesus Christ is eternal and there is no such thing as a “post-Christian” anywhere.
Me too!

And your experience with poorly catechized Catechism teachers seems unfortunately to be shared by many. I’m teaching Confirmation right now, and I pretty much ignore 90% of the book. “Put a rock in the middle of the table and tell the students it stands for God.” What are we teaching them- animism??
“Animism encompasses the beliefs that there is no separation between the spiritual and physical (or material) world, and souls or spirits exist, not only in humans, but also in all other animals, plants, rocks, geographic features such as mountains or rivers, or other entities of the natural environment”
It didn’t levitate did it? Any sounds come forth?

And, I have no idea why I elevated Bishop Fellay to Archbishop. Freudian slip?
uch:

 

[Moore11]

I’m stuck on a little matter here.
After this summer’s debacle and the SSPX’s general chapter I remember reading that at the general chapter, it was decided that any sort of deal with Rome would be agreed to by a vote of the SSPX’s clergy. This would seem to be a HUGE obstacle and while we are talking about Fellay and the Pope wanting this to happen it would appear that Fellay gave up quite a bit of power to make this happen with that decision. It went from all Fellay has to do is sign a document to there will be a vote and all members will have a say… And trying to get all the members of the SSPX to agree to what color the sky is would be hard enough.