SSPX update?

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Here is another tidbit from the website Dee noted: “It so tragically happens that, now, 42 years after its founding, the “life-boat” of the Society of St. Pius X is being coaxed with sweets and promises into the “harbor” of Modernist Rome filled with “sunken boats” of numerous traditional communities, once publicly opposing the errors of Vatican II.”

So now I have this mental picture of Bishop Fellay, lashed like the captain of the Demeter to the wheel of a listing, leaking boat- mast and rudder broken, perhaps on fire- desperately trying to sail it into the docks at Civitavecchia, while the crew and passengers leap off right and left.

That being said totally whimsically, of course!🙂
 
Faithdancer said:
Here is another tidbit from the website Dee noted: “It so tragically happens that, now, 42 years after its founding, the “life-boat” of the Society of St. Pius X is being coaxed with sweets and promises into the “harbor” of Modernist Rome filled with “sunken boats” of numerous traditional communities, once publicly opposing the errors of Vatican II.”

So now I have this mental picture of Bishop Fellay, lashed like the captain of the Demeter to the wheel of a listing, leaking boat- mast and rudder broken, perhaps on fire- desperately trying to sail it into the docks at Civitavecchia, while the crew and passengers leap off right and left.

That being said totally whimsically, of course!🙂
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I would imagine that they all leap off on the right. 😃
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
I would imagine that they all leap off on the right. 😃
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Actually right and left says it. Publicly disaffected SSPX priests have been a feature of the SSPX from day one. There was the Nine in the USA in the early eighties (became sedevac), then the Italian District a few years later (became sedevac), and the anti-consecration group in 1988 that formed the Priestly Fraternity of St Peter. The Society’s cohesiveness is rather fragile since it occupies an uncomfortable middle ground between acceptance of the changes officially promulgated by the Church’s hierarchy (see my earlier distinctions), and an outright rejection of that hierarchy.

Mentally, being in the SSPX involves a profound distrust of the ‘mainstream’ Church - which is viewed in the optic of a bizarre quarter-catholic-three-quarters-weirdo sect - coupled with a refusal to formally adopt the sedevac position, even though one feels one has far more in common with sedevacantists than with ‘conciliars’.
 
Justin_Swanton said:
Actually right and left says it. Publicly disaffected SSPX priests have been a feature of the SSPX from day one. There was the Nine in the USA in the early eighties (became sedevac), then the Italian District a few years later (became sedevac), and the anti-consecration group in 1988 that formed the Priestly Fraternity of St Peter. The Society’s cohesiveness is rather fragile since it occupies an uncomfortable middle ground between acceptance of the changes officially promulgated by the Church’s hierarchy (see my earlier distinctions), and an outright rejection of that hierarchy.

Mentally, being in the SSPX involves a profound distrust of the ‘mainstream’ Church - which is viewed in the optic of a bizarre quarter-catholic-three-quarters-weirdo sect - coupled with a refusal to formally adopt the sedevac position, even though one feels one has far more in common with sedevacantists than with ‘conciliars’.
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It truly is high theater, isn’t it? We’ll just have to wait it out until the fat lady sings…
 
Faithdancer said:
Here is another tidbit from the website Dee noted: “It so tragically happens that, now, 42 years after its founding, the “life-boat” of the Society of St. Pius X is being coaxed with sweets and promises into the “harbor” of Modernist Rome filled with “sunken boats” of numerous traditional communities, once publicly opposing the errors of Vatican II.”

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT_Czaq5qzlO4wgo8DLpielC0Bjrgoh1w0zq2y-BvVkVp-Nou2l&t=1

So now I have this mental picture of Bishop Fellay, lashed like the captain of the Demeter to the wheel of a listing, leaking boat- mast and rudder broken, perhaps on fire-http://static8.businessinsider.com/...0000055-324-243/shipwreck-ship-crash-fire.png

desperately trying to sail it into the docks at Civitavecchia, while the crew and passengers leap off right and left.

notfound That being said totally whimsically, of course!🙂
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:rotfl:🍿:rotfl:this extract had also caught my eye when I was looking there, had a fleeting though - but nothing quite like this
 
Faithdancer said:
It truly is high theater, isn’t it? We’ll just have to wait it out until the fat lady sings…
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It ain’t over till (or until) the fat lady sings is a colloquialism, essentially meaning that one should not assume the outcome of some activity (e.g. a sporting contest) until it has actually finished, similar to a common proverb. It is a perception of Grand Opera, with its stereotypically overweight sopranos.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_ain%27t_over_till_the_fat_lady_sings

(:rolleyes:a temptation I simply couldn’t resist FaithDancer - and ‘wiki’ adds the bow to this show:D)
 
Dee_S said:
http://newearthdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Female-opera-singer-perfo-001-380x228.jpg
It ain’t over till (or until) the fat lady sings is a colloquialism, essentially meaning that one should not assume the outcome of some activity (e.g. a sporting contest) until it has actually finished, similar to a common proverb. It is a perception of Grand Opera, with its stereotypically overweight sopranos.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_ain%27t_over_till_the_fat_lady_sings

(:rolleyes:a temptation I simply couldn’t resist FaithDancer - and ‘wiki’ adds the bow to this show:D)
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Great pic, and tres apropos considering much of the discussion is being conducted in Italian…

I can even envision a Broadway production of “SSPX- the Musical” someday, when it all simmers down. Not saying it’s an appropriate subject, but when has that ever stopped them?
 
Dee_S said:
:rotfl:🍿:rotfl:this extract had also caught my eye when I was looking there, had a fleeting though - but nothing quite like this
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Odysseus is a nice touch, Dee. And the sirens symbolize…something I’m sure, perhaps the sedavacantists?

I also think the small boat in picture three is size appropriate. The SSPX is, after all, not a large group, on the scale of the whole body of the faithful.

Good show! All in good spirited fun!

When I reflect again on “sweets and promises” I think of a trail of gingerbread crumbs, or something. I’m probably mixing up my metaphors, though.🤷
 
Dee_S said:
"Now, to speak about the future, what we will try to do with the Roman authorities is to tell them that it does no good to pretend, for the sake of the faith, that the Church cannot be mistaken…It is necessary to stop saying: the* Church can do nothing bad*, therefore the new Mass is good. It is necessary to stop saying: the Church cannot err, and therefore there is no error in the Council… Now this is truly the impression that one has with regard to what Rome is trying to impose on us today. And here we reply: we cannot. That is all.
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This makes no sense. *Christ *said that the Church - lead by the Holy Spirit - could not err and the gates of hell would not prevail against it. How does the Bishop believe that the Pope is truly going to say that the Mass, which the Pope declared as the Ordinary Form is bad, or that Vatican II, which has brought forth truly wonderful things, is in error?? :confused:

Reading these homilies makes me think this group is more detached from reality than I had any idea. It appears that they are too much talking to each other and have formed something of an echo chamber. So sad.

Edited to add: I see since we’ve all danced (sung?) off with gingerbread and shipwrecks that I have the wrong tone for this thread now. 😉

I do love the opera lady though - she’s perfect for the theme! 😃
 
Mrs_Sally said:
This makes no sense. *Christ *said that the Church - lead by the Holy Spirit - could not err and the gates of hell would not prevail against it. How does the Bishop believe that the Pope is truly going to say that the Mass, which the Pope declared as the Ordinary Form is bad, or that Vatican II, which has brought forth truly wonderful things, is in error?? :confused:

Reading these homilies makes me think this group is more detached from reality than I had any idea. It appears that they are too much talking to each other and have formed something of an echo chamber. So sad.

Edited to add: I see since we’ve all danced (sung?) off with gingerbread and shipwrecks that I have the wrong tone for this thread now. 😉

I do love the opera lady though - she’s perfect for the theme! 😃
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We just been all lazy high on tryptophan and sweet taters, Mizz Sally. We’ll get back to work soon nuff…
 
In his interview with the National Catholic Register as reported early last month, Archbishop Muller (sorry, can’t type the umlaut) states: “The SSPX is not the only breakaway group in the Church. There are worse ones on the opposite side, too. These movements are worse because they are often denying essentials of Christianity.”

I’m curious if anyone knows, specifically, to what groups “on the left,” so to speak, Archbishop Muller is referring? I just found this statement curious, because I’m really not aware of whom he is speaking.

Source: ncregister.com/daily-news/archbishop-mueller-on-the-sspx-and-his-controversial-writings
 
Faithdancer said:
In his interview with the National Catholic Register as reported early last month, Archbishop Muller (sorry, can’t type the umlaut) states: “The SSPX is not the only breakaway group in the Church. There are worse ones on the opposite side, too. These movements are worse because they are often denying essentials of Christianity.”

I’m curious if anyone knows, specifically, to what groups “on the left,” so to speak, Archbishop Muller is referring? I just found this statement curious, because I’m really not aware of whom he is speaking.

Source: ncregister.com/daily-news/archbishop-mueller-on-the-sspx-and-his-controversial-writings
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By the “opposite site” he is talking here of the LCWR (Left of Centre Wroman Resistors):whistle: …

"Archbishop Gerhard Müller, the new prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, speaks about two high-profile cases involving his dicastery: the talks aimed at reconciliation with the traditionalist Society of St. Pius X (SSPX), and Vatican call for reform of the Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR). In each case, he emphasizes, the Vatican will insist that the organization fully accepts the teachings of the Church."catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=15825

…must be the gingerbread;)


(but whats he doing in Menzingen youtube.com/watch?v=DdnJigNzTuY )
 
Mrs_Sally said:
This makes no sense. *Christ *said that the Church - lead by the Holy Spirit - could not err and the gates of hell would not prevail against it. How does the Bishop believe that the Pope is truly going to say that the Mass, which the Pope declared as the Ordinary Form is bad, or that Vatican II, which has brought forth truly wonderful things, is in error?? :confused:

Reading these homilies makes me think this group is more detached from reality than I had any idea. It appears that they are too much talking to each other and have formed something of an echo chamber. So sad.
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:tiphat:Mrs Sally…well said, your point about “echo chamber” has made me sit up and look twice - it can’t be anything other than what you say.
 
Perhaps Bishop Fellay will get a Twitter account so that these updates can come faster. I just checked to see if Pope Benedict’s was active yet, but it doesn’t seem so… I’ll be one of his big time followers!🙂
 
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