SSPX v Church Militant

[commenter]

The reference to, or by, National Catholic Reporter illustrates in itself the issue here. This publication, along with Church Militant, along with Call to Action, OnePeterFive, Catholics for Choice, Lifesite News, choose to operate outside the relationship with their local Ordinary. In some ways they are wildly different but they have this important feature in common.

It’s not so much the liberal vs conservative Continuum we always hear about. Inside compared to outside.

Two “conservative” sites can well oppose each other, just as two “liberal” ones can, especially if they are both “outside”.

 

[Margaret_Ann]

Church Militant, along with Call to Action, OnePeterFive, Catholics for Choice, Lifesite News, choose to operate outside the relationship with their local Ordinary.

Idk about the others but LifeSite News and One Peter Five are lay-run apostolates. They are not part of any diocese.

This is about LifeSite News:

About - LifeSite

LifeSiteNews.com is a non-profit Internet news service dedicated to issues of life, family, and many related issues. It was launched in September 1997 to

www.lifesitenews.com

This is about One Peter Five:

About

What does it mean to be Catholic? It’s a big question. With over a billion self-professed Catholics in the world, we’re obviously going to be a diverse group of people. But the beauty of our faith is…

onepeterfive.com

 

[commenter]

LifeSite News and One Peter Five are lay-run apostolates. They are not part of any diocese.

I volunteer at two programs that were lay founded, and lay run, not subsidized or administered by the Vatican nor any diocese. But they are recognized as apostolates because they have ongoing permission of the bishop Ordinary. So are Catholic Answers and EWTN, though EWTN of course was founded by a sister.

The media programs of Church Militant, SSPX, or National Catholic Reporter don’t have permission of their bishop Ordinary. They aren’t apostolates.

You can argue that some groups that are apostolates range from good to bad, and some groups that are not apostolates range from good to bad.

Ok. But the distinction is still important.

You can also argue some programs (like Dr. Marshall’s, or LSN) are just a little over the border, compared with others like Catholics For Choice, or Sedevacantist sites, that are way over the border. But the border is still relevant.

 

[Jbrady]

But the border is still relevant.

I’m not sure of that anymore. EWTN has lost a lot of credibility as it has become more politically partisan and critical of Pope Francis. I doubt Mother Angelica would approve.

 

[commenter]

Ironically, Michael Voris, Dr. Marshall, and representatives of SSPX have all been featured speakers at the annual Catholic Identity Conference. One of the themes is “Uniting the Clans”, which says Traditional Catholics should join forces with Traditionalists, that it’s not important if a group is a Church approved apostolate or union with it’s Ordinary.

 

[Margaret_Ann]

Touche. They’re lay-run websites, not technically apostolates. However, Mother Angelica definitely would not have approved the idolatry that happened last October either. Remember she protested what happened at WYD '93 too:

 

[MagdalenaRita]

Michael Voris, Dr. Marshall, and representatives of SSPX have all been featured speakers at the annual Catholic Identity Conference.

Also there was Father Gregory Pendergraft FSSP priest and Bishop Athanasius Schneider.

themes is “Uniting the Clans”,

Uniting the clans, according to Michael Matt who started this saying, is about Catholics stopping the fighting and come together under Catholic Tradition, which the Church has taught for 2000 years. That does not mean Tradition alone but standing on all three: Holy Tradition, Holy Scripture and the Holy Magisterium. As Mother Angelica says in the video being obedient to Jesus, Mary and the Church.

Traditional Catholics should join forces with Traditional ists ,

Traditionalists are Traditional Catholics.

They’re lay-run websites, not technically apostolates. However, Mother Angelica definitely would not have approved the idolatry that happened last October either. Remember she protested what happened at WYD '93 too:

Thank you for this video. This is when she went back to the traditional Catholic clothing habits and other lost traditions. The bishop at the time fought some of what she wanted. He wouldn’t even let her priests say the ordinary form of the Mass ad orientum. Out of respect for her, her funeral Mass was said ad orientum though. (different bishop I think)

 

[commenter]

They’re lay-run websites, not technically apostolates.

Just to clarify, a program can be lay established, lay run, and still be an apostolate if it has a relationship with their bishop Ordinary. For that matter, a program might have priests and sisters involved in founding or operation, yet not be a ministry or apostolate of the Catholic Church.

 

[commenter]

They’re lay-run websites, not technically apostolates.

If Church Militant, OnePeterFive, LSN are “lay run websites”, here are some others: Focus on the Family, CNN religious news, SSPX Resistance. Rather than say these six are “not technically apostolates” but better to say these 6 are not Catholic Church apostolates at all.

That doesn’t mean they are the same, or all wrong, or all equally far over the border. But they are all on a different side of a line from apostolates that are in union with their bishop Ordinary.