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I don’t know how this effects the Sunday Obligation, if nothing is concrete yet.
I would wait, honestly.
SSPX Masses meet, and have met for as long as I know, the Sunday obligation. The Pontifical Commission “Ecclesia Dei” (the group in the Vatican effectively in charge of reconciling the SSPX to Rome) will tell you as much if you write them a letter.

You can go to SSPX Masses.
 
SSPX Masses meet, and have met for as long as I know, the Sunday obligation. The Pontifical Commission “Ecclesia Dei” (the group in the Vatican effectively in charge of reconciling the SSPX to Rome) will tell you as much if you write them a letter.

You can go to SSPX Masses.
As a lay, unaffiliated (with a religious order) Catholic, I would not go to any church or chapel and/or participate in any liturgy that was not approved of by the local ordinary.
 
SSPX Masses meet, and have met for as long as I know, the Sunday obligation. The Pontifical Commission “Ecclesia Dei” (the group in the Vatican effectively in charge of reconciling the SSPX to Rome) will tell you as much if you write them a letter.

You can go to SSPX Masses.
You could, I suppose, but I’d think that it is almost always preferable to go to a Mass that is not being celebrated by a priest whose status is irregular (almost always leaving room for any number of unusual circumstances)

That will, of course, be very different once this whole process is (hopefully) brought to its fruitful end.
 
Technically, there are no lay members of the SSPX. It is a society of priests.

As to the numbers of laity who attend SSPX masses, I do not know.
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I have seen reports in the press of anywhere from a few hundred thousand up to a million and a half. I don’t think anybody really knows for sure.
A more significant question might be, how many would attend a SSPX Latin Mass if one were available within reasonable driving distance. The nearest regularly scheduled TLM is about a seven hour round trip. In my small parish I can count about fourteen folks that I know of who would attend. I suspect that there are probably more.
 
You could, I suppose, but I’d think that it is almost always preferable to go to a Mass that is not being celebrated by a priest whose status is irregular (almost always leaving room for any number of unusual circumstances.
But that is not a qualification attached by the Holy See. In fact, the Holy See expressly says (and has been saying) it is okay to attend Mass at SSPX chapels, as long as one is not trying to separate oneself from Peter. Nothing else is attached.
 
SSPX Masses meet, and have met for as long as I know, the Sunday obligation. The Pontifical Commission “Ecclesia Dei” (the group in the Vatican effectively in charge of reconciling the SSPX to Rome) will tell you as much if you write them a letter.

You can go to SSPX Masses.
Fr. Z don’t go to Communion, although it still is Jesus Christ.
 
You can already attend SSPX chapels. Catholics have always been permitted to do so as long as they did so not to try to separate themselves from the Pope, but for love of the Extraordinary Form.

So, you may attend Mass there as it pleases you.
I wasn’t aware! Thank you.
 
This is like world war one:
hours of no news or events and suddenly about 15 minutes of excitement.
I hope the Vatican can wrap this up in a few weeks.
 
I keep hearing this claim yet the SSPX lists brothers and sisters that they say are part of the SSPX as well as a third order.
There is a third order. Which is kind of strange since the SSPX is not an order. I wonder how they will be affected.
 
There is a third order. Which is kind of strange since the SSPX is not an order. I wonder how they will be affected.
They aren’t a third order of ther SSPX. They are third order Franciscans who are attached to the SSPX in some way. They have separated, at least jurisdictionally, from the Franciscan orders of brothers and sisters.
 
I also tend to be “traditional” in the fact that I usually attend and belong to the parish my residence is geographically in.
You may call me crazy, but I consider it a form of obedience.
Okay. Obedience to what? There is absolutely no obligation, explicit or implicit, in attending a geographic parish.

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Okay. Obedience to what? There is absolutely no obligation, explicit or implicit, in attending a geographic parish.

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Getting off track…
Yes, there is an implicit obligation (whether followed or not is another matter). If there wasn’t, why would geographical boundaries of a parish even be established?

Anyways, let’s get back to the celebration of the prodigal son (SSPX) coming home!
 
Do these brothers referred to include the Benedictines related to the SSPX?
This would not be the same. The Benedictines in NM that you are referring to (there may be others as well) are consecrated Monks who have taken solemn vows. When one uses the term “third order” it is typically used in the context of the laity such as Lay Dominicans, Secular Franciscans, Benedictine Oblates, Secular Order of Discalced Carmelites, etc. Of course there are the Third Order Regular Franciscans, but that just starts to make things messy and there are other threads with better definitions of that situation going so if you are interested, check here: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=600571
 
This would not be the same. The Benedictines in NM that you are referring to (there may be others as well) are consecrated Monks who have taken solemn vows. When one uses the term “third order” it is typically used in the context of the laity such as Lay Dominicans, Secular Franciscans, Benedictine Oblates, Secular Order of Discalced Carmelites, etc. Of course there are the Third Order Regular Franciscans, but that just starts to make things messy and there are other threads with better definitions of that situation going so if you are interested, check here: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=600571
So if you are in a third order, are you called “brother”?
I can’t wait till this mess is over. Its pretty much all I’ve thought about for some 2 or 3 days.
Is it ok for someone to scout out a chapel in their area, via internet, in the hope that this all works out?

I hope those monks come with them.
They even sell toy knights in their gift shop:D
 
So if you are in a third order, are you called “brother”?
No. A Lay Dominican for example would be referred to as Mr. John Smith, OP or Miss Amy Jones, OP. Brother and Sister are titles for consecrated religious. Again, for a discussion on third orders and everything surrounding them, there are dozens of threads that you should go read.
I can’t wait till this mess is over. Its pretty much all I’ve thought about for some 2 or 3 days.
Then you are too invested in it for whatever reason. Take a step back. The Church will still be here tomorrow whether this comes to fruition, or if it doesn’t.
Is it ok for someone to scout out a chapel in their area, via internet, in the hope that this all works out?
There is no reason why you cannot attend Mass there today if you like. You cannot go to confession there, but you can attend Mass. Of course, if there is another EF Mass close to you, it would probably be better to go there for the time being, though others may disagree with that.
I hope those monks come with them.
Me too.
 
I have heard this as well but when I looked it up, it seems that it is much broader than just priests. Back when they were still in the fold, they were approved as a Society of Apostolic Life, which would include lay men and women as well as priests.

That being said, I don’t think the Church recognizes a way that lay persons become “members”. Priests become SSPX “members” when they either a) are ordained by a SSPX Bishop and make their promises to him or b) break their association with their Ordinary and make new promises to a SSPX Bishop. A Catholic lay person who attends Mass at a SSPX chapel would still be considered a “member” of the parish in which he/she physically resides.
But if they have brothers and sisters then they do have lay people.

The Church only recognizes two categories of people, lay and clergy.

Even consecrated religious in orders under solemn vows are lay people if they are not ordained.
 
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