SSPX'ers and Lefebvrists are excommunicated it appears

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pnewton:
I wonder if that is what Martin Luther also used as an excuse? Except instead of interpreting the Bible for yourselves, it is the Bible and Tradition that you interpret as you wish.
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Martin Luther had a legitament grievance against the Pope. But rather than remaining Catholic and fighting the " good " fight, he left the True Church. The SSPX has no intention of breaking faith with Eternal Rome, and they haven’t.The Church consists of the Holy Bible and Tradition, and all Graces from Heaven come to us the faithful through those two “pillars”
 
It seems that changing the mass does nothing to what I believe. If the Pope decided to go back to the Tridentine mass and then decided that everyone must also go on Friday (twice a week), it really wouldn’t change what I believe. Or even if the mass was changed to be done in Hebrew since that was probably the language used at the Last Supper.

I just don’t understand how saying the Tridentine mass is the only way to have mass is infallible. Popes and Saints have been wrong about things. Just because someone is a Saint, it doesn’t mean everything they have said or done is 100% correct. Some were very anti-Jewish as an example.
 
The Dead Bishop:
It would be a sin to follow the Pope if we know He is in error. Peace be to you.
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What makes the SSPXs say the Pope is in error? Are you saying that the one who sits on the legitimate throne of Peter, whom Christ Our Lord has put in place for us, is in error? That God has made a mistake? Because we are called to obey the Church, and cannot be mislead by it. The gates of Hell will not prevail against it, so what makes Society of Pious X think its schismatic bishop can? The Pope is the Pope. It is not up to lay followers of schismatic groups to say if he is “in error.” This smacks of heresy.
 
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Hananiah:
SSPX masses do fulfill your Sunday obligation. It would be a sin to go to their masses only if you did so out of a desire to adhere to their schism. If you did so because you didn’t want to step on Jesus (Communion in the hand creates crumbs which subsequently get stepped on) it would not be a sin. But I wouldn’t even go for that reason unless there were no indult or eastern rite parishes in my vicinity.
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Did you realize that when the priest breaks the larger host (at any mass)into pieces that Jesus crumbs starts flying around, and that when the host goes through our system, even worse becomes of it?

Can you think of a real reason why you would attend a SSPX ritual?

Peace
 
i thought this was a banned topic. :confused:

i still can’t understand what the big problem is. the original mass was not in latin, it was in the language of wherever the mass was being held. it wasn’t until later that latin was made the official language of the church. allowing people to hear the mass in their language and participate will always bring more people in the doors and help more to fully experience their faith.
 
Attending a SSPX Mass

QUESTION from Charles on April 1, 2004
A question was asked whether one fulfills the Sunday or Holy Day obligation by attending one of the masses at a SSPX Chapel. I know that they have valid Eucharist but even though the masses are valid they are illicit. …

Dear Charles:
There are some who like to create their own particular interpretation from some letters that the Holy See sent to an inquirer of this question that appears to say that the Sunday Obligation can be met at a SSPX Mass.

Wishful thinking aside, the letters in question do not clearly make any such allowance. The letters were written to a particular individual concerning a particular circumstance that is not revealed which states that the inquirer was not in sin attending an SSPX Mass under whatever the conditions were (which we do not know).

This cannot be definitively read as a blanket permission to every joe, dick, and harriet. Thus the issue of Sunday Obligation is not as resolved as many people imply. The jury is still out as far as I know.

This issue should be moot anyway. The Holy See has repeatedly said that Catholics are NOT to attend illicit Masses, so if we are obedient in the first place, this issue will never arise, except under one exception and that is there are no licit Masses available.
God Bless,
Bro. Ignatius Mary
 
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bengal_fan:
i thought this was a banned topic. :confused:

i still can’t understand what the big problem is. the original mass was not in latin, it was in the language of wherever the mass was being held. it wasn’t until later that latin was made the official language of the church. allowing people to hear the mass in their language and participate will always bring more people in the doors and help more to fully experience their faith.
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This is a banned topic. I am surprised the moderators have let it slide this long.
 
The Dead Bishop:
I don’t go to SSPX Masses " to adhere to a schism. " I go because God " called " me to the Holy Sacrafice of the Mass… the " Marriage Feast of the Lamb. " I go because it is the Mass of the Angels the " Mass of all time " I go because it is the Mass that bears the 4 marks of authenticity… One , Holy , Apostolic, Catholic Mass. It is impossible that God would " cancel or make " null and void " the True Mass. I go, because if I didn’t …I would be in danger of loosing my immortal soul. Thank you for reading this. Peace be to you.
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Then why not go to the Valid and Licit Mass provided in Seattle?

Sunday​
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St. Joseph Chapel
Josephinium Hotel
 
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Apologia100:
This is a banned topic. I am surprised the moderators have let it slide this long.
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They probably have not seen it yet and may not unless someone reports it - but it has been hashed and rehashed so many times in the Liturgy section that it is really quite boring and insignificant - same old same old.

No matter how you cut it, SSPX is in schism - period.
 
A question has been raised that has not been banned from being debated on this board, and that is, does canon law allow for a Catholic to take part in a valid but illicit Mass? The answer is yes, but only under exceptional circumstances, and even then, Canon law allows only taking part in the Liturgy of the Word, and not receiving communion in illicit Masses.

intratext.com/IXT/ENG0017/_P4L.HTM]Can. 1248

§1 The obligation of assisting at Mass is satisfied wherever Mass is celebrated in a catholic rite either on a holyday itself or on the evening of the previous day.

§2 If it is impossible to assist at a eucharistic celebration, either because no sacred minister is available or for some other grave reason, the faithful are strongly recommended to take part in a liturgy of the Word, if there be such in the parish church or some other sacred place, which is celebrated in accordance with the provisions laid down by the diocesan Bishop; or to spend an appropriate time in prayer, whether personally or as a family or, as occasion presents, in a group of families.
A Catholic cannot attend illicit Masses if there are licit Masses available. All SSPX Masses are illicit. It is a sin for a Catholic to attend an SSPX Masses if there are licit Masses available, and it is an even greater sin to receive communion in an SSPX Mass, since the SSPX is in schism with the Catholic Church.

The SSPX is a Protestant denomination.
 
You cannot attend an illicit Mass even if they are no licit ones available. Attending an illicit Mass is worse than not attending a licit one, because you are colluding with schism. The point blank of the matter is that SSPX has been excommunicated by JPII, end of discussion. If you want to consider yourself in communion, you should have nothing to do with adherents to this society on a religious level, other than to get them out of it and back into full communion with Rome.
 
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Catholicguy:
The sspx claims only it can preserve Tradition. Yeah, right. FR. Carl Pulvermacher, the SSPX expert, who said the Pauline Rite does not satisfy the Sunday Obligation is now a Pope.

truecatholic.org/pope/sandalprints.htm

The SSPX schism itself schismed into the SSPV. How long before ssp2.5 comes along?
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Catholicguy:
The antipope you speak of is not Fr.Carl Pulvermacher. The antipope’s name is Lucian Pulvermacher. They are brothers and two different people. Don’t insult Fr.Carl Pulvermacher by calling him an antipope. On the page you linked there is a picture of the four brothers Pulvermacher [all priests].
 
So what happened to the other two brothers? Did they remain with the Capuchins or did they go the way of the other two?
 
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deogratias:
They probably have not seen it yet and may not unless someone reports it - but it has been hashed and rehashed so many times in the Liturgy section that it is really quite boring and insignificant - same old same old.
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You said it deogratias, some people even got suspended because of it. LOL :rotfl: Anyways, in my city there is one SSPX chapel and guess what? There’s a Catholic Church right across the street that celebrates a licit Tridentine Mass, yet people still go to the SSPX chapel. But then again, I guess the SSPX chapel isn’t as far of a drive… NOT!
 
That sort of shoots a hole in their premise that “we just want to have Mass according to the 1962 Missal”.

You see that is the problem - they say they are loyal to John Paul II but refuse to accept Vatican II - can’t have it both ways. For those who do just want the Tridentine Mass, I bet they go to the Licit one.

I know at our recently begun TLM, some people go to the SSPX chapel in the a.m. and then to our Mass in the p.m. I don’t know if they just want to be sure it is going to last or what the mentality is but I am glad they come.
 
As we all know the SSPX isn’t in schism.They are good priests who are not in schism. 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍
 
As we all know the SSPX is in schism.They are good priests who are in schism.
 
Please keep the topic to SSPX as you all have. Any deviations will cause the thread to be closed.
 
Whether on is in schism with the church is not subject to opinion or feelings. It exitsts or it doesn’t. This state is determined by the Holy See, not the schismatic.

If a man immigrates to the U.S. and lives here illegally for a while. He might develop a loyalty to the US and feel like he is much a citizen as anyone. But it is not until he meets the requirements and takes the oath of citizenship that the law of United States recognizes him as a citizen.
 
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