SSPX'ers and Lefebvrists are excommunicated it appears

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You are absolutely correct - but I have yet to see a die-hard SSPXer on line ever admit that they are in schism or to change their mind. \

But I have met a few SSPX priests who did and they became FFSP priests.

They will recite chapter and verse of canon law, etc. in their repeated efforts to deny they are in schism.

But if the Pope says you are in schism, you are. So while they proclaim loyalty to the Holy Father, they won’t accept his pronouncement - go figure.
 
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pnewton:
For anyone wishing to know why these people are in schism:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=38&highlight=SSPX
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For anyone wishing to know why the SSPX is not in schism:
sspx.org
 
The Dead Bishop:
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Ahem…to quote pnewton;

Whether on is in schism with the church is not subject to opinion or feelings. It exitsts or it doesn’t. This state is determined by the Holy See, not the schismatic.

If a man immigrates to the U.S. and lives here illegally for a while. He might develop a loyalty to the US and feel like he is much a citizen as anyone. But it is not until he meets the requirements and takes the oath of citizenship that the law of United States recognizes him as a citizen.

Why would anyone go to the SSPX to find out whether or not they are in schism?! The only intelligent way to find out what the Pope says!!
 
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I agree. To me, it sounds just like John Kerry saying that he is a faithful and practicing Catholic. If it looks like a duck… :rolleyes:

What I find so interesting is how the SSPX is a mirror image of so many past schismatics. From the Catholic Encyclopedia (I know it’s long, but it describes the Society perfectly):
Catholic Encyclopedia:
Various motives have been brought forward in justification of Schism:

(1) Some have claimed the introduction into the Church of abuses, dogmatic and liturgical novelties, superstitions, with which they are permitted, even bound, not to ally themselves. Without entering into the foundation for these charges it should be noted that the [quotes about the gravity of schism]
cited above do not mention or admit a single exception. If we accept their statements separation from the Church is necessarily an evil, an injurious and blameworthy act, and abandoning of the true way of salvation, and this independent of all contingent circumstances. Moreover the doctrines of the Fathers exclude a priori any such attempt at justification; to use their words, it is forbidden for individuals or particular or national Churches to constitute themselves judges of the universal Church; the mere fact of having it against one carries its own condemnation. St. Augustine summed up all his controversy with the Donatists in the maxim: “The whole world unhesitatingly declares them wrong who separate themselves from the whole world in whatsoever portion of the whole world” (…) . Here Bayle may be quoted again: “Protestants bring forward only questionable reasons; they offer nothing convincing, no demonstration: they prove and object, but there are replies to their proofs and objections; they answer and are answered endlessly; is it worth while to make a schism?” (Dict. crit., art. Nihusius).
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The Dead Bishop:
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That’s interesting since, according to the Vatican, they are in schism. Not only that, by the document here, it appears that they are also excommunicated. as well as all of their supporters who continue to follow them:

vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_commissions/ecclsdei/documents/hf_jp-ii_motu-proprio_02071988_ecclesia-dei_en.html
  1. In itself, this act was one of disobedience to the Roman Pontiff in a very grave matter and of supreme importance for the unity of the church, such as is the ordination of bishops whereby the apostolic succession is sacramentally perpetuated. Hence such disobedience - which implies in practice the rejection of the Roman primacy - constitutes a schismatic act.(3) In performing such an act, notwithstanding the formal canonical warning sent to them by the Cardinal Prefect of the Congregation for Bishops on 17 June last, Mons. Lefebvre and the priests Bernard Fellay, Bernard Tissier de Mallerais, Richard Williamson and Alfonso de Galarreta, have incurred the grave penalty of excommunication envisaged by ecclesiastical law.(4)
c) In the present circumstances I wish especially to make an appeal both solemn and heartfelt, paternal and fraternal, to all those who until now have been linked in various ways to the movement of Archbishop Lefebvre, that they may fulfil the grave duty of remaining united to the Vicar of Christ in the unity of the Catholic Church, and of ceasing their support in any way for that movement. Everyone should be aware that formal adherence to the schism is a grave offence against God and carries the penalty of excommunication decreed by the Church’s law.(8)
 
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