St. Joan's in Minneapolis causing trouble again

[poetbdk]

JaMc-

Thanks for posting the link to St. Joan’s in Idaho. I was not previously aware of this church so I added it to the list at MaidOfHeaven.com
maidofheaven.com/joanofarc_churches.asp

As you can see from the long list there are many St. Joan’s in the world that are faithful to the memory of St. Joan of Arc and more importantly to the gospel of Jesus Christ. The glaring exception is the church (I hate to even use the word with) in Minneapolis, MN.

 

[JaMc]

JaMc-

Thanks for posting the link to St. Joan’s in Idaho. I was not previously aware of this church so I added it to the list at MaidOfHeaven.com
maidofheaven.com/joanofarc_churches.asp

As you can see from the long list there are many St. Joan’s in the world that are faithful to the memory of St. Joan of Arc and more importantly to the gospel of Jesus Christ. The glaring exception is the church (I hate to even use the word with) in Minneapolis, MN.

Your welcome. It’s actually fairly new - it’s an E.F. chapel that grew from the “indult” traditionalist community at a parish in a nearby city. I attended Mass there on Sunday, since I had never been to an EF Mass before. Their chaplain is Fr. Chad Ripperger, FSSP - a former seminary professor and ethical scholar who posts many of his sermons on the internet.

 

[Karl_M]

I don’t quite know what’s going on at St. Joan’s in Minneapolis. The congregation and the priest are very out of line with the Vatican. Even when I see a glimmer of hope, it’s dashed.

In the November 19, 2008 bulletin, the priest outlines three liturgical issues at their Masses:

(These aren’t direct quotations, I’m paraphrasing)

1. The church provides a coffee and cookies social immediately prior to Mass. The problem is the people are bringing the coffee and cookies to the Mass itself, which, in his words “makes a mockery of the communion fast.”
   Solution: Stop eating during Mass.

That’s a surprisingly good job of correcting the parishoners in a tactful and pastoral way. Maybe it isn’t hopeless, unless you keep reading…

1. Problem: People are doing self-intinction, including the dipping of their fingers. The priest states that intinction is “not part of the Latin Rite,” and that the “communion distributors” are even more bothered by the fact that people are dipping their fingers, too.
   Solution: Ordering wide-brimmed chalices to make dipping easier. Although the priest does encourage people to “drink from the cup when at all possible.”
2. A classic Catholic problem: People leaving early. But this time, they’re disturbing people in the communion line and sometimes bumping into the EMHC’s themselves.
   The solution: Use a different exit.

stjoan.com/bulletinfr.htm

May I, as a layperson, offer some better solutions?

1. Coffee & cookies after Mass. Do not eat one hour before Mass starts.

2a. Intinction is not permitted, so we won’t be doing it anymore.
2b. Self-intinction is not permitted, so we will do the dipping for you (the right way).

1. Please don’t leave early. It’s rude and disruptive. God deserves so much more. Please stay and pray about the Eucharist.

Pray for this parish and their pastor. He doesn’t seem particuarly bothered by people with such poor understanding of why its so important to follow the Liturgy.

 

[peregrinus_WA]

Karl_M:
2a. Intinction is not permitted, so we won’t be doing it anymore.
2b. Self-intinction is not permitted, so we will do the dipping for you (the right
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2b is correct, but 2a is not:

The Blood of the Lord may be received either by drinking from the chalice directly, or by intinction, or by means of a tube or a spoon. (GIRM §245)

We use intinction at my parish for the OF Mass and the priests are the ONLY ONES who distribute communion.

 

[peregrinus_WA]

2a. Intinction is not permitted, so we won’t be doing it anymore.
2b. Self-intinction is not permitted, so we will do the dipping for you (the right way).

2b is correct, but 2a is not:

The Blood of the Lord may be received either by drinking from the chalice directly, or by intinction, or by means of a tube or a spoon. (GIRM §245)

We use intinction at my parish for the OF Mass and the priests are the ONLY ONES who distribute communion.

 

[tyson]

Pretty sad if I must say, but we all know where this world is going, and we all know who will win in the end! If you dont know by know. Read the book of Revelation!

 

[MrS]

Try communion under just one species.

Does not sound like any thing else respects the Lord

 

[Karl_M]

2b is correct, but 2a is not:

The Blood of the Lord may be received either by drinking from the chalice directly, or by intinction, or by means of a tube or a spoon. (GIRM §245)

I should have been more specific.

EMHCs are allowed to distribute via intinction (according to my pastor-and he’s no slouch), but the kicker is that the EMHC or MHC must have the hosts and the chalice at the same time.

In other words, the communicant is NOT permitted to take the host to the EMHC and have that person dip it (or distribute to the person behind them in line-which I’ve also seen).

If there’s intinction, the communion minister has the Host and chalice, dips it themselves, and distributes to the communicant.

 

[MrS]

I should have been more specific.

EMHCs are allowed to distribute via intinction (according to my pastor-and he’s no slouch), but the kicker is that the EMHC or MHC must have the hosts and the chalice at the same time.

In other words, the communicant is NOT permitted to take the host to the EMHC and have that person dip it (or distribute to the person behind them in line-which I’ve also seen).

If there’s intinction, the communion minister has the Host and chalice, dips it themselves, and distributes to the communicant.

I think a little research will show that NOT to be the case.

Your pastor may not be a slouch in some areas, but he is not correct in this matter.

 

[peregrinus_WA]

I should have been more specific.

EMHCs are allowed to distribute via intinction (according to my pastor-and he’s no slouch), but the kicker is that the EMHC or MHC must have the hosts and the chalice at the same time.

In other words, the communicant is NOT permitted to take the host to the EMHC and have that person dip it (or distribute to the person behind them in line-which I’ve also seen).

If there’s intinction, the communion minister has the Host and chalice, dips it themselves, and distributes to the communicant.

Thanks for the clarification. The only reason I know intinction is allowed is because it is used at the OF Masses (while kneeling at the Altar Rail) at my parish and the priests are the only ones to distribute communion. We also have EF Masses with only host since Intinction is not allowed at the EF Masses.

 

[Karl_M]

I think a little research will show that NOT to be the case.

Your pastor may not be a slouch in some areas, but he is not correct in this matter.

Indeed, you are correct. I asked the non-slouching pastor this afternoon and he said he misunderstood my question.

I didn’t ask him what he thought I meant, but I think he thought I was asking what was less wrong.

But anyway, his answer was that only a priest or deacon (the “ordinary” ministers of holy communion) are allowed to distribute via intinction.

 

[Brendan]

. We also have EF Masses with only host since Intinction is not allowed at the EF Masses.

I’ll disagree with you on that one. Both my parents recieved their First Holy Communion via intinction, and they recieved that way on Major Feasts (Christmas, Easter, Corpus Christi and Holy Thursday).

This was back in the 1930’s\40’s. In Ireland granted, but that was still the Tridentine Mass and Rubrics.

So while it might not have been done regularly in the States, it was certainly done elsewhere.

They mentioned this because they have been to my parish ( you know the one north of yours that offers the Eucharist intincted regularly ) and it remined them of those major feasts

 

[peregrinus_WA]

I’ll disagree with you on that one. Both my parents recieved their First Holy Communion via intinction, and they recieved that way on Major Feasts (Christmas, Easter, Corpus Christi and Holy Thursday).

This was back in the 1930’s\40’s. In Ireland granted, but that was still the Tridentine Mass and Rubrics.

So while it might not have been done regularly in the States, it was certainly done elsewhere.

They mentioned this because they have been to my parish ( you know the one north of yours that offers the Eucharist intincted regularly ) and it remined them of those major feasts

OOPS. Me bad then.

I have been up there once to the boonies. Nice parish, but I will stick with mine since it is about the same distance from where I live.

 

[poetbdk]

The real problem with this church and congregation is PRIDE as they have shown in their rebellious actions and stated in their intentions to hold “Gay PRIDE prayer services.”

Jesus taught the proper way to approach God in Luke 18:13-14
“And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as [his] eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified [rather] than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.”

The Bible also warns in 1 Peter 5:5 that:
“God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace to the humble.”

 

[cthulhubryan]

Sorry, a question from a Protestant. Aren’t you supposed to fast before mass? If so, why cookies before mass?

 

[survive]

That’s awful. I’d move to another parish.

 

[Karl_M]

Sorry, a question from a Protestant. Aren’t you supposed to fast before mass? If so, why cookies before mass?

Yep, you are supposed to fast before Mass. Of course, at this parish, being faithful and being Catholic aren’t generally considered “good” things. And neither is making sense, I might add.