St. John Cantius Parish -- Chicago

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adstrinity said:
She also told me that Vatican II took out 1/3 of the prayers from the Mass…
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I believe the figure typically recited is actually 70%.
adstrinity said:
It seems to me, so far, that the NO mass is better because we have new OT readings, NT readings, Psalm, and Gospel every week.
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If that is your criteria for better (and I’m not saying that it should be) then the Extraordinary Form of the Mass would actually be better.

While there is no set Old Testament Reading (with some exceptions) you will hear much, much more Scripture (including from the Old Testament) in the EF than in the OF.

In addition to the Epistle (typically but not always a New Testament Reading), the Gradual (a Psalm), and the Gospel there is the Introit ( a Psalm and a selection from Scripture). And then there are the Offertory and the and the Communion Verses (both from Scripture). And each Mass ends with the Last Gospel (from John 1)

And the prayers of the EF itself are more often drawn directly from Scripture itself than in the OF.

While the Extraordinary Form contains much more Scripture than the Ordinary Form, the Ordinary Form contains a much greater variety of Scripture than the Extraordinary Form.

3 year cycle of Sunday Readings. 2 year cycle of weekday Readings. And there are often options as to which readings to use.

James
 
adstrinity said:
Before Mass, I was in line for confession. Another young lady joined me and this woman who was in a mantilla and asked if there is face-to-face confession. I told her I didn’t know.
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If I remember correctly, aren’t all the confessions over there out in the open, where only the priest is “in” the confessional? Seems as if a lot of confessions can be overheard that way. I’ve actually heard louder confessions than the priest at the altar, even sitting far away from those confessionals.
 
James0235 said:
In addition to the Epistle (typically but not always a New Testament Reading), the Gradual (a Psalm), and the Gospel there is the Introit ( a Psalm and a selection from Scripture). And then there are the Offertory and the and the Communion Verses (both from Scripture). And each Mass ends with the Last Gospel (from John 1)
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Also you have the most beautiful Lavabo (psalm 25) and the Prayers at the Foot of the Altar. (psalm 42). And if you’re lucky to get it before Mass, the Asperges Me (psalm 50).
 
ProVobis said:
If I remember correctly, aren’t all the confessions over there out in the open, where only the priest is “in” the confessional? Seems as if a lot of confessions can be overheard that way. I’ve actually heard louder confessions than the priest at the altar, even sitting far away from those confessionals.
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Yes. That’s how they are set up.

Yikes. This is why I talk directly into the screen.

I’m not fond of the Latin Mass, but, clearly, I should learn more about it. I bought a mantilla today.

And, yes, that’s what I was saying (to James 0235), that I feel we get more Bible at the OF Mass, but, I like the way you explained it and I was hoping to buy a Latin Missal today, but, that didn’t happen.
 
I have decided that I NEED the Roman Missal because those red booklet thingies just aren’t doing the job.

I was happy to see children running and a young man texting during the Solemn High Mass yesterday; this tells me that just because the people go to the TLM doesn’t mean that they ARE better than those who prefer the OF.

Anyway, a few questions, why when the priest raises, mainly the Host, I think, do those kneeling raise his garment? AND, why were the same people holding on to him as he was incensing?
 
Adstrinity,
the people holding onto the chasuble at the incensing at the start of mass (during kyrie) are the deacon and sub-deacon. I think either the MC or thurifer hold the chasuble with the deacon at the offertory (while the sub-deacon holds the paten). I think (I might be wrong) that it varies from parish to parish on holding up the chasuble at the consecration.
In Nomine Christi
 
I actually was able to follow along with the Missal for two pages!! 😃 I WIN!

Next question: Why were the altar boys swaying when they were knelt and bowed?
 
The altar boys (and deacon and subdeacon at solemn high mass) bow at the confiteor. The Priest says his confiteor first (bowing to the sub-deacon and deacon at “et vobis/vos fratres” at solemn high mass but not to the server(s) at low/sung mass). Then the servers (or deacon and subdeacon) repeat the priest changing the words slightly (instead of vobis/vos fratres its tibi/te pater) regards of whether its low/sung/solemn high mass the servers deacon and subdeacon all bow to (or turn towards while still bowing) the celebrant of the mass at the words “et te/et tibi pater”.
In Nomine Christi
 
Thank you.

I don’t know if it’s the first time I recognized the Mass as a sacrifice, but, today was the first day I recall it making sense. Went to the TLM today and it occured to me, from what I saw yesterday at the Eastern Catholic Church and the post here earlier saying something about, ‘No, sermon is an interruption of the Mass.’ I understood that today. In the EF Mass, the priest spends half of the time asking God to be worthy to Celebrate the Sacrifice. Then, after, he is STILL saying prayers asking God to accept the sacrifice. …That’s not how the new form follows…as you all well know.

Also, after going to an Eastern Catholic Church yesterday, I saw St. John Cantius’ Church in a new light. I think I better understand altar rails, now.
 
Hi Adstrinity:

I am a long time parishioner at St. John Cantius. I have been a parishioner for 12 years. I have read your comments, and am pleased that you have returned to St. John for Mass. I would like to add a few thoughts of my own in the hope that they will enrich your experience at St. John.

St. John Cantius is more than just an ordinary parish. It is run by a newly formed religious order founded by Father Frank Phillips ten years ago. In complete fidelity to the Church, the goal of the order is to restore the sacred. The men in black casocks you mentioned were indeed either priests or brothers of the Canons Regular of St. John Cantius. Masses in the vernacular, low and high Tridentine are said there with the utmost reverend and highest respect. Under the guidance of Cardinal George, since its inception, eight priests have been ordained. There are also novices and seminarians.

It sounds like you are new to the Tridentine rites. If that is the case, you are in luck. Beginning Wed. Oct. 1st, 2008 at 7:30PM in the parish hall located in the basement of the church, Father Phillips will conduct the Understanding the Mass series. This will run for four weeks thereafter at the same time and day. Father will go into details about the Mass and what each movement means. Make sure to bring your Missal with you. If you have any question, contact the parish or look in the bulletin.

If you have time, I would encourage you to attend St. Monica Novena on Wednesdays at 7:00PM. The Novena begins with the Holy Rosary, followed by St. Monica Novena prayers. A Low Mass will immediately follow at 7:30PM. Also, there are two Fatima Rosary Processions left on the Sept. 13th and Oct.13th.

If you have any questions, don’t hesitate to ask any brothers or priests at St. John. I can assure you your questions will be answered correctly and respectfully. You should also have someone explaining to you the beautiful floor and all the beautiful scenes and relics in the church. They are indeed things that enrich our Catholic faith.

God bless.
 
Hi Adstrinity:

Correction on my previous post. Father Phillips will conduct the Understanding the Mass series beginning Wednesday Oct. 1st, 2008 at 8:30PM following St Monica Novena prayers, NOT at 7:30PM. Forgive me.

One more thing, rendering the utmost reverence and highest respect in church, especially during the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, is expected from everyone at St. John Cantius. In addition to the Mass being a Holy Sacrifice, the priests at St John often remind us that it is a long prayer where God is worshiped. Texting in church and immodest clothing are among the many things that are unacceptable there. As for the children running around, well children are children in the end. But you will find out that children at St John generally behave very well there. You will see them genuflecting upon entering the church. Many carry and use the Rosary. Some even follow the Mass with the Missal. Their parents or guardians are usually with them to guide them to behave appropriately.

Parking is generally not a problem there. I almost never have a problem with it, exept for the Feast of Corpus Christi or something like that. You will find this out for yourself.

God bless.
 
I’m happy. I was able to follow allong with the red missalette more often than not and I was following along with the Mass (despite where my mind wandered…)!

OOOH! And there’s two Gospel readings read at the Solemn High Mass! TWO!

That’s what I got out of it today. My question for today is why did the priest offer Communion again after the Mass?
 
adstrinity said:
That’s what I got out of it today. My question for today is why did the priest offer Communion again after the Mass?
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For those that perhaps that needed to go to confession and could not make communion during Mass?
 
Hi Adstrinity:

At St. John Cantius, after Mass, Communion, distributed at the Communion rail, is usually for the St. Gregory the Great Schola Cantorum chanters, members of the choir, and/or people who for some reason missed communion during Mass (they could have been in confession).

On an earlier post, you expressed a sense of un-easiness about the confessionals at St. John being in the “open”. I have been going to confession there many, many times over the years, and I feel very confortable there. The priests at St. John are excellent confessors. Remember we kneel on the outside speaking into the screen, where on the other side is the confessor who sits inside the confessional. If you speak in a lower voice directly into the screen, you will be OK. I hope your un-easiness will not deter you from making frequent trips to receive this very important sacrament. As you become more accustomed to St. John, you will find going to confession is a huge part in the lives of the parishioners there. Confessionals are available at all Masses, and on Sundays, you will see 3 to 4 lines people waiting for confession.

God bless.
 
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