St. Patricks Day and it's Friday in Lent and

[CindyGia]

The Bishop of our Diocese gave the faithful a dispensation to eat meat today.

In talking to another parishioner this morning after Mass, we both were disgusted that the Church once again bowed down to appease the faithful.

It’s Friday, and during Lent, I fast on Fridays and Wednesdays; meaning no food at all, except for maybe a cup of tea in the morning. I intend to do the same today, but this time, I want to offer it up to Our Lord in reparation for Catholics who will eat meat this day during Lent. I know many of you will tell me there’s no need to do that since a dispensation was given, but I think it only right and hope many of you will also offer up this day in Lent and not eat meat.

Isn’t it a shame that the Church (due to Vatican II) has changed so much to appease the faithful:

• from night before fasting until Mass - to 1-hour before Mass (which many people don’t even adhere to now)
• fasting on Wednesday AND Friday’s during Lent - to only on Fridays during Lent.

And so many other things this old time Catholic was telling me this morning. St. Patrick’s Day comes around in Lent every 7 years. Catholics cannot offer up this day to God and not eat meat after all the blessings He gives us all our lives? I find it so selfish in a way. And I’m not the only person who thinks this. It’s such a shame. What have Catholics become?

God Bless you all this St. Patrick’s Day and if possible, please refrain from eating meat anyway. I’m sure it will store treasure for us up in Heaven!

CG

 

[John_Higgins]

Bless you for your sacrifices.

Dispensations from abstinence from meat for St. Patrick’s Day have been granted in the United States since at least the mid 1800s. Don’t blame Vatican 2 for this.

John

 

[Marilena]

I also observe the fast not to eat meat on Friday’s. Can one eat fish?

 

[CindyGia]

John Higgins:

Bless you for your sacrifices.

Dispensations from abstinence from meat for St. Patrick’s Day have been granted in the United States since at least the mid 1800s. Don’t blame Vatican 2 for this.

John

I think this cradle Catholic, would have mentioned that, but he didn’t. He was very upset about the dispensation as well saying “it comes about every 7 years and Catholics still can’t give up ONE DAY eating meat for the love of God? They can decide to not eat meat on this day or that, but feel they MUST eat meat on St. Patrick’s Day?”

He never mentioned dispensations being given for St. Patrick’s Day during Lent since the 1800’s, and since he is an older gentlemen, I’m sure if this is always the case, he wouldn’t have been so upset by it this time around.

I suppose then you are eating cornedbeef and cabbage today anyways?

God Bless.

 

[CindyGia]

Marilena:

I also observe the fast not to eat meat on Friday’s. Can one eat fish?

God Bless you!

Yes, you can eat fish.

The other day during Mass, the priest during his homily said this:

“During Lent we give up meat as a penance right? How many of you like to eat fish”? (With this most all parishioners raised their hands.) And he said, “well how do you consider this a penance during Lent if you like to eat fish? The reason we abstain from meat is to offer it up to God as a penance, and if you like eating fish, how is that a penance?”

All of a sudden you heard soft “ahhhhh”'s from the faithful and little giggles.

So think about it. Even if you like fish, and eat fish on Friday’s during Lent - it’s not much of a penance for God.

God Bless!

 

[Marilena]

CindyGia:

God Bless you!

Yes, you can eat fish.

The other day during Mass, the priest during his homily said this:

“During Lent we give up meat as a penance right? How many of you like to eat fish”? (With this most all parishioners raised their hands.) And he said, “well how do you consider this a penance during Lent if you like to eat fish? The reason we abstain from meat is to offer it up to God as a penance, and if you like eating fish, how is that a penance?”

All of a sudden you heard soft “ahhhhh”'s from the faithful and little giggles.

So think about it. Even if you like fish, and eat fish on Friday’s during Lent - it’s not much of a penance for God.

God Bless!

Good point, but I do not even eat fish on friday’s.

 

[CindyGia]

Marilena:

Good point, but I do not even eat fish on friday’s.

Neither do I! I hate fish! So in a way, I suppose I could eat fish as a penance during Lent simply because I detest fish! But I always offer it up as a complete fasting day, so that idea is out.

I’m already hungry! It’s gonna be a long day… …

:irish2:

 

[CindyGia]

Marilena:

Good point, but I do not even eat fish on friday’s.

Hey Marilena,

I see you study Latin. Can you translate these words for me?

"Regina caeli, laetare, alleluia,
quia quem meruisti portare, alleluia,
resurrexit sicut dixit, alleluia;
ora pro nobis Deum, alleluia.

Gaude et laetare, Virgo Maria, alleluia.
Quia surrexit Dominus vere, alleluia.

Word for word?

Thanks for your help!

CG

 

[Lucania]

This morning, our local news reported that Bishop Galeone announced that he has granted a dispensation from abstaining from meat today only. But he also said that another form of penitence should take it’s place. Bishop Galeone said that he took action as a tribute to Irish missionaries who helped launch the Catholic Church in Florida and to honor the heritage of Irish Catholics living in our Diocese. As for my family, we will not be eating meat today. Sunday will do just fine to eat a nice Corned Beef Brisket with Cabbage, White Creamer Potatoes, Carrots, Onions, Rutabaga & Parsnips.:yup:

 

[maryjk]

CindyGia:

I intend to do the same today, but this time, I want to offer it up to Our Lord in reparation for Catholics who will eat meat this day during Lent. I know many of you will tell me there’s no need to do that since a dispensation was given, but I think it only right and hope many of you will also offer up this day in Lent and not eat meat.CG

Not only is there no need, but it is insulting as well.

Do you go to Mass extra times for those that have a dispensation for Mass?

And what about all of the Catholics in Ireland? They don’t even need dispensation.

Check your history. The man you spoke with, isn’t telling you everything. Irish Catholics have been eating meat on Saint Patricks day for many years before VII.

Yes, I will be eating Corned beef with cabbage today. No, I did not eat meat yesterday. Yes, I eat fish. And, yes, I hate fish.

And by the way, we don’t fast on Fridays during Lent. We abstain.

 

[CindyGia]

maryjk:

Not only is there no need, but it is insulting as well.

Do you go to Mass extra times for those that have a dispensation for Mass?

And what about all of the Catholics in Ireland? They don’t even need dispensation.

Check your history. The man you spoke with, isn’t telling you everything. Irish Catholics have been eating meat on Saint Patricks day for many years before VII.

Yes, I will be eating Corned beef with cabbage today. No, I did not eat meat yesterday. Yes, I eat fish. And, yes, I hate fish.

And by the way, we don’t fast on Fridays during Lent. We abstain.

thank you. Such a lovely message.

Sorry this is “insulting” to you. I am finding this alot on this forum. So many Catholics offended at everything. A person cannot even make the slightest statement without it offending or insulting someone.

Well, I hope you have a nice meal. I’m fasting (not abstaining) no matter how insulting it is to you.

 

[frommi]

Many a diocese has granted the “corned beef indult”…even the Bishop of Lincoln, long a darling of the more conservative factions of the church, has given the indult.

Once again, I find it amazing that people say things about following the bishops…and when they do something they have the competent authority to do…they turn on them because it doesn’t fit with their vision of Catholicism.

I have an indult where I live, but I don’t really celebrate St. Patrick’s Day…so to partake in the indult would be sort of ignoring the ‘spirit of the law’…so I don’t plan on it…

But really everyone…this is hardly cowtowing to the faithful…

In Sydney, Australia, with UBER-Orthodox Bishop George Pell…they abstain from meat TWO days…Ash Wednesday and Good Friday.

 

[BillyT92679]

CindyGia:

thank you. Such a lovely message.

Sorry this is “insulting” to you. I am finding this alot on this forum. So many Catholics offended at everything. A person cannot even say something without it “offending” or insulting someone.

Well, have a nice meal. I’m fasting no matter how insulting it is to you.

Just a bit of fraternal advice though… it’s certainly salutary to fast and abstain for the Lord, but mentioning it on a website can give the impression of tassle-lengthening and philactery-widening to some people… remember the idea of penance and charity being done privately. You can choose to fast, but remember, it’s only abstinence that is required on Fridays during Lent, other than Ash Wednesday and Good Friday.

On to the central point… I think it’s eminently confusing why these dispensations are given. It’s one thing to dispense when you abstain ever Friday of the year, but when you only abstain six weeks a year, why release people on yet another Friday?

But, as much I might be bewildered by these Bishops, I cannot as a good and faithful Catholic say they are wrong… I certainly think that they are making a mistake in judgement, but they have every right, according to Matthew 18, to bind and loose, and they are loosening here.

 

[CindyGia]

BillyT92679:

Just a bit of fraternal advice though… it’s certainly salutary to fast and abstain for the Lord, but mentioning it on a website can give the impression of tassle-lengthening and philactery-widening to some people… remember the idea of penance and charity being done privately.
.

This I am already aware, but I don’t say this to boast, I always fast (not abstain) on Fridays during Lent. It’s just my sacrifice - as some people may claim to give up chocolate, sweets, smoking, etc for Lent. I give up food on Friday’s for Lent. I don’t think that’s being prideful. It’s only my love for God and I think I can clearly, without fear of pride, make this statement.

But, as much I might be bewildered by these Bishops, I cannot as a good and faithful Catholic say they are wrong… I certainly think that they are making a mistake in judgement, but they have every right, according to Matthew 18, to bind and loose, and they are loosening here

And yes, I have to agree with you here. Since they are our spiritual leaders they know what’s best. However, I will still give up this day as a penance and hope others do so as well. Like I said before, and others said at Mass this morning, “giving up meat today will store up treasure in Heaven” What could be more wonderful than that!

 

[tee_eff_em]

CindyGia:

I think this cradle Catholic, would have mentioned that, but he didn’t. He was very upset about the dispensation as well saying “it comes about every 7 years and Catholics still can’t give up ONE DAY eating meat for the love of God? They can decide to not eat meat on this day or that, but feel they MUST eat meat on St. Patrick’s Day?”

He never mentioned dispensations being given for St. Patrick’s Day during Lent since the 1800’s, and since he is an older gentlemen, I’m sure if this is always the case, he wouldn’t have been so upset by it this time around.

You are quite mistaken to take such assurance in what an older gentleman has not said. Dispensing abstinence from meat on Friday March 17 has nothing to do with Vatican II.

PS.
Is he “older” enough to remember the 1800’s?

:irish2: tee
by some reckonings, himself an older cradle Catholic gentleman

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

BillyT92679:

On to the central point… I think it’s eminently confusing why these dispensations are given. It’s one thing to dispense when you abstain ever Friday of the year, but when you only abstain six weeks a year, why release people on yet another Friday?

The rule is to abstain every Friday or, outside of Great Lent, to substitute some other form of penance in place of the Friday abstanance. This has not changed.

But, as much I might be bewildered by these Bishops, I cannot as a good and faithful Catholic say they are wrong… I certainly think that they are making a mistake in judgement, but they have every right, according to Matthew 18, to bind and loose, and they are loosening here.

Part of being a good Catholic is also obedience to proper authority. The dispensation granted allows you to eat meat on St Patrick’s Day if you so desire, if you don’t want to you don’t have to. I get sick of hearing all these complaints about it though.

My birthday is today and I enjoy eating a birthday meal that includes meat. My pastor would always grant me a dispensation for this. Now that I am in a religious house, the prior has dispensed the house for this reason. There is nothing wrong with this.

Abstaining on Fridays is a discipline, not a dogma. Get over it everyone. If you don’t like it, don’t do it.

 

[CindyGia]

tee_eff_em:

PS.
Is he “older” enough to remember the 1800’s?

:irish2: tee
by some reckonings, himself an older cradle Catholic gentleman

No, I didn’t say that. I said he never mentioned that dispensations have always been given on St. Patrick’s Day during Lent. That surprised me that another poster said this is a fact, and that this older gentlemen never mentioned that. He was very upset that a dispensation was given at all, since St. Patrick’s Day only fall on a Friday during Lent only once in 7 years.

 

[CindyGia]

ByzCath:

The rule is to abstain every Friday or, outside of Great Lent, to substitute some other form of penance in place of the Friday abstanance. This has not changed.

Part of being a good Catholic is also obedience to proper authority. The dispensation granted allows you to eat meat on St Patrick’s Day if you so desire, if you don’t want to you don’t have to. I get sick of hearing all these complaints about it though.

My birthday is today and I enjoy eating a birthday meal that includes meat. My pastor would always grant me a dispensation for this. Now that I am in a religious house, the prior has dispensed the house for this reason. There is nothing wrong with this.

Abstaining on Fridays is a discipline, not a dogma. Get over it everyone. If you don’t like it, don’t do it.

Hi ByzCath!

You were my first response when I joined CAF! Hope all is well with you and that you are are receiving wonderful blessings as a new seminarian! God Bless you!

And since now I’ve learned that it is no “big deal” to eat meat on St. Patrick’s Day during Lent so long as the Church permits it - have a wonderful St. Patrick’s Day everyone! Watch out drinking too many of those green beers though!

 

[grotto]

Happy Saint Patrick’s Day to all Irish Catholics and those who wish they were. Ya don’t have to eat corned beef today - save that for tomorrow but don’t pass up on the Harps!!

 

[maryjk]

We went from reparations

to

Have a wonderful Saint Patricks Day?

:ehh:

Maybe I need more tea.

OK, better now.
Works for me.

Have a Wonderful Saint Patricks Day!!