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johnstown_johnn
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Ghoti
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I think St Pat would be glad that we’d skip his holiday in favour of Holy Week (and not felt it necessary to move “his” feast day so that it would get celebrated anyway).
My impression is that one of the many redeeming qualities common to most saints is humility (in varying degrees). I think many of them would have been mortified to know someone would hold a feast in their honour, and would have argued against it. Can you imagine Padre Pio’s or Mother Teresa’s response if you had gone up to either and said, “So…after you’re gone, and been canonized, what day do you you want your feast on?”
I also think that St Pat would be royally cheesed if we broke Holy Week in favour of him. He came to Ireland to bring the people to Christ, not Patricianism. Patrick was the messenger - Jesus is the Message.
I think moving the feast is an ideal way to commemorate Patrick without having it try to eclipse/upstage/horn-in on Holy Week.
Besides – if Paddy came back as your bishop, what do you think he’d do?
My impression is that one of the many redeeming qualities common to most saints is humility (in varying degrees). I think many of them would have been mortified to know someone would hold a feast in their honour, and would have argued against it. Can you imagine Padre Pio’s or Mother Teresa’s response if you had gone up to either and said, “So…after you’re gone, and been canonized, what day do you you want your feast on?”
I also think that St Pat would be royally cheesed if we broke Holy Week in favour of him. He came to Ireland to bring the people to Christ, not Patricianism. Patrick was the messenger - Jesus is the Message.
I think moving the feast is an ideal way to commemorate Patrick without having it try to eclipse/upstage/horn-in on Holy Week.
Besides – if Paddy came back as your bishop, what do you think he’d do?
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Ghoti
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By the way…we need to dispense with one of the many myths of St Patrick.
St Patrick did not drive the snakes out of Ireland. On account of there were no cars.
Pat, like many early Church types, knew that regular physical exercise kept a good Saint’s heart healthy and strong – which is why he jogged the snakes out of Ireland.
And thus has been passed down the ancient Irish word for “running shoes”:
“Snakers.”
St Patrick did not drive the snakes out of Ireland. On account of there were no cars.
Pat, like many early Church types, knew that regular physical exercise kept a good Saint’s heart healthy and strong – which is why he jogged the snakes out of Ireland.
And thus has been passed down the ancient Irish word for “running shoes”:
“Snakers.”
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Ghoti
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Credits to Health & Welfare Canada / ParticipAction for the gist of the previous.:tiphat:
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Catherine_S
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Happy Birthday in advance :irish2: !!
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IRISH CREAM CHOCOLATE MOUSSE CAKE :shamrock2:
This rich chocolate mousse cake was created by Geri Gilliland, the Belfast-born chef-owner of Gilliland’s, a cafe with an Irish accent in Santa Monica, California. On the inside of the dessert, chocolate mousse spiked with Irish cream liqueur is layered with espresso sponge cake that has been soaked in an Irish whiskey syrup. On the outside, the chocolate bands and a mound of chocolate curls give this treat a straight-from-the-bakery look, which we show you how to achieve at home. If it sounds too perfect, there is one drawback: **This grand finale is certain to overshadow any corned beef and cabbage main course
** .***Mousse :shamrock2: ***
4 large eggs
1/3 cup sugar
12 ounces semisweet chocolate, chopped
1 1/2 cups chilled whipping cream
***1/4 cup Irish cream liqueur ***
Whisk eggs and sugar in large metal bowl. Set bowl over saucepan of simmering water (do not allow bottom of bowl to touch water) and whisk constantly until candy thermometer registers 60°F, about 5 minutes.
Remove bowl from over water. Using electric mixer, beat egg mixture until cool and very thick, about 10 minutes.
Place chocolate in top of another bowl over simmering water; stir until melted and smooth. Remove bowl from over water. Cool to lukewarm.
Combine cream and Irish cream liqueur in medium bowl; beat to stiff peaks. Pour lukewarm melted chocolate over egg mixture and fold together. Fold in cream mixture. Cover and chill until set, at least 4 hours or overnight. :shamrock2:
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Goth_Catholic
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That sounds heavenly, especially now that my strep throat infection is almost gone and I finally can talk, sleep, eat and taste like a human again
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strngrnrth
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But what did you taste like when you were sick?That sounds heavenly, especially now that my strep throat infection is almost gone and I finally can talk, sleep, eat and taste like a human again
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allhers
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Goth_Catholic
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I knew as I was writing that someone was going to ask me thatBut what did you taste like when you were sick?
I ment I could taste food
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snowfly
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It seems to have come from County Cork area, probably Cobh on the west coast, where the famine ships left for a better life, although someone on this forum from Cork doesn’t agree with this.
Anyway I’ve never heard of it spreading to other parts of Ireland, I don’t remember ever eating it.
Cabbage and bacon and spuds are the most likely thing, most people here just eat an everyday dinner and I have never heard of anyone fussing over what to eat on Saint Patrick’s day.
I’m just thankful to God that I’m eating at-all, as I grew up with many long days and weekends with no food to eat at-all as a child, plus my favourite meat is lamb.
There are supposedly hotels and restaurants that cook that up (corned-beef and cabbage) for tourists if they want it, but I’ve never seen it.
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johnstown_johnn
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Corned beef was on all ships during the time of wooden ships. I believe it was the English that kept barrels of corned beef to feed the crews.
Since no refrigeration brine/salt was a preservative and lasted for as long as an expedition/mission, etc. Cabbage has a long shelf-life too.
In Ireland corned beef and cabbage is not a staple or even a holiday dish. It was in America where that “tradition” caught on. I toured Ireland and that is what they told us. For what it’s worth.
Ireland is a wonderful place…almost magical. I could live there.
Since no refrigeration brine/salt was a preservative and lasted for as long as an expedition/mission, etc. Cabbage has a long shelf-life too.
In Ireland corned beef and cabbage is not a staple or even a holiday dish. It was in America where that “tradition” caught on. I toured Ireland and that is what they told us. For what it’s worth.
Ireland is a wonderful place…almost magical. I could live there.
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bayoubutterfly
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since I live close to New Orleans, and I’m sure everyone knows that we celebrate EVERYTHING! we have big parties and parades. I never got into the partying even though I’m of Irish decent. I don’t care much for drunken crowds, same with Mardi Gras. I stay away from the crowds
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What is more important is how we, as Catholics, celebrate those holidays. /quote]
I’ll have a pint on that.
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bayoubutterfly
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I would also, but I don’t like beer. I love Bailey’s ,but I can’t have dairy anymore. so what else is there Irish to drink?
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snowfly
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John Powers…Black Bush ? …Hennessy Brandy… Poteen ?
definitely not for the faint-hearted. :hypno:
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strngrnrth
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That’s what we were discussing earlier.
I guess I should make soemthing clear because it looks like not everyone gets it.
There’s something called an “ethnic culture”. Just about everyone is part of one in America. It’s not an attempt to imitate life in another country. It’s not a randomly made-up way of life inveted to sell party supplies. It’s a way of life that reflects the entire experience of an ethnic group (a group united by shared history and similar traits). America has at least a thousand distinct ethnic cultures. They all have holidays. We share each other’s holidays out of goodwill, but the “inside” version of each holiday is different from the “outside” version. For example, everyone sets of a sparkler or sees the parade for Chinese New Year, but only people in the Chinese-American community give each other red envelopes with money for good luck (usually). They don’t know or really need to know whether they do it the same way it’s done now in China. It’s a link to their history, their journey. Likewise, Santa Lucia is celebrated by many Swedish-Americans, and it’s a beautiful event. But it’s probaby done three basic ways: The way it is in Sweden, the way it’s done by Americans who have no relationship to Sweden, and the way Swedish-America does it, reflecting what it has been like to be Swedish in America. St. Patrick’s Day falls into that category. There’s the way most of America celebrates (not at all), the way party-at-every-possible-excuse America celebrates (a degrading mess), the way Ireland celebrates and the way Irish America celebrates. Four different things each with their own reasons.The Irish-American experience has been traumatic, exciting, hopeful, full of surprises and real in its own right.
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Ghoti
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Anyone know if the Canadian bishops moved St Patrick’s to Friday?
I’m a Irish-descent Catholic from an Anglo-Irish culture (Newfoundland) whose confirmation patron is Patrick.
Do I get my Jiggs Dinner, or is it fish ‘n’ chips?
I’m a Irish-descent Catholic from an Anglo-Irish culture (Newfoundland) whose confirmation patron is Patrick.
Do I get my Jiggs Dinner, or is it fish ‘n’ chips?
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johnstown_johnn
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To celebrate St. Patrick’s day and being Irish is a kind of honoring their forebears. It is a good thing and pleases God.
The Fourth Commandment: “Honor thy father and thy mother.” This is a way of complying to that great Commandment.
The Fourth Commandment: “Honor thy father and thy mother.” This is a way of complying to that great Commandment.
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strngrnrth
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America’s first St. Patrick’s Day parade happened before the Revolution in Boston, as a protest against unfair treatment of Irish soldiers in the British Army as well as a celebration of St. Patrick.
In the 1840’s, Boston was divided between the huge, mostly extremely poor Irish population who had lost their whole world and watched their loved ones die, and a very anti-Irish older New England population who wanted the Irish out. It was almost impossible to survive without ethnic associations for anyone in that time and it was flat out impossible for the Irish. So, lacking a hall to meet in as other ethnic groups had, the Irish walked home from Mass together and talked business then. They wound through the streets, seeing people safely home to avoid ethnic violence. Some joind in late, having had to work, and some joined more than one parade, to talk to various people. However, some people joined the parades to attack the Irish. So a way of distinguishing hese newcomers was needed. They started handing out more and more visible ribbons, hatbands, kerchiefs, badges, etc. as they walked. Anyone who wouldn’t put one on was known to be an enemy and thrown out. That’s why wearing something green, particularly a hat, scarf, ribbon, pin or shamrock (or whole outfit) is common today even for people who have no Irish blood. It’s the custom to pinch anyone who refuses to wear any green at all. But that’s more a children’s custom. It came from a real, scary and not-that-long-ago reality of violence against the Irish and their need to defend themselves.
Buying someone a drink during the parade was a way of talking more privately or doing some business. It wasn’t meant as an excuse to get drunk. It was just much cheaper than buying food. sometimes people were far from home, and some were homeless or lived in one room with twenty-plus people they didn’t know much about. So they met at bars to talk.
Cheap, filling food was a way of celebrating any holiday in that culture. They went hungry between feasts to save enough to buy a little corned beef (the cheapest meat) and cabbage (the cheapest vegetable) to share with friends and family.
The Civil War and both World Wars saw the Irish set themselves above others as soldiers so well that gradually the stigma of being Irish faded and the St. Patrick’s Day parades spread as a way of demanding respect for fighting for America.
The decorations in the stores nowadays showing drunken, foulmouthed leprechauns are a holdover from anti-Irish stereotype propaganda from the 19th Century. I won’t wear or buy anything like that. My decorations are simple green streamers and such. I wish I could find some with positive images on them but I can hardly find any decoraions at all, and what I have found is almost all derogatory.
In the 1840’s, Boston was divided between the huge, mostly extremely poor Irish population who had lost their whole world and watched their loved ones die, and a very anti-Irish older New England population who wanted the Irish out. It was almost impossible to survive without ethnic associations for anyone in that time and it was flat out impossible for the Irish. So, lacking a hall to meet in as other ethnic groups had, the Irish walked home from Mass together and talked business then. They wound through the streets, seeing people safely home to avoid ethnic violence. Some joind in late, having had to work, and some joined more than one parade, to talk to various people. However, some people joined the parades to attack the Irish. So a way of distinguishing hese newcomers was needed. They started handing out more and more visible ribbons, hatbands, kerchiefs, badges, etc. as they walked. Anyone who wouldn’t put one on was known to be an enemy and thrown out. That’s why wearing something green, particularly a hat, scarf, ribbon, pin or shamrock (or whole outfit) is common today even for people who have no Irish blood. It’s the custom to pinch anyone who refuses to wear any green at all. But that’s more a children’s custom. It came from a real, scary and not-that-long-ago reality of violence against the Irish and their need to defend themselves.
Buying someone a drink during the parade was a way of talking more privately or doing some business. It wasn’t meant as an excuse to get drunk. It was just much cheaper than buying food. sometimes people were far from home, and some were homeless or lived in one room with twenty-plus people they didn’t know much about. So they met at bars to talk.
Cheap, filling food was a way of celebrating any holiday in that culture. They went hungry between feasts to save enough to buy a little corned beef (the cheapest meat) and cabbage (the cheapest vegetable) to share with friends and family.
The Civil War and both World Wars saw the Irish set themselves above others as soldiers so well that gradually the stigma of being Irish faded and the St. Patrick’s Day parades spread as a way of demanding respect for fighting for America.
The decorations in the stores nowadays showing drunken, foulmouthed leprechauns are a holdover from anti-Irish stereotype propaganda from the 19th Century. I won’t wear or buy anything like that. My decorations are simple green streamers and such. I wish I could find some with positive images on them but I can hardly find any decoraions at all, and what I have found is almost all derogatory.
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