St Patrick's day moved from traditional date

[MinHC]

I heard it on the radio so I have no links.

Next year St Patrick’s day (March 17th) falls on the Monday of Holy week. No Saint or anyother religious event apart from the normal Holy week ceremonies can be celebrated that week.
The Irish Catholic Bishops then for the first time since 1913 asked the Vatican to have it moved to March 15th which has been granted.

It is a pity the big parades will take place on what will not to be St Patrick’s day next year.

In Ireland the feast day has been secularised somewhat which is a pity.

 

[Andinell]

St. Patrick’s day has been secularized everywhere. It’s so bad in some places (the u.s.) that i’ve actually heard people say “Oh, you mean he was actually a person?”

 

[Jehu]

Yup, that’s not all though. There is a homsexual march featured in the Dublin parade.

 

[Sr_Sally]

St. Patrick’s day has been secularized everywhere. It’s so bad in some places (the u.s.) that i’ve actually heard people say “Oh, you mean he was actually a person?”

Yes and St Valentine also. It’s sad.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

This is going to be interesting. The Massachusetts politicians created a holiday called Evacuation Day(the day the British were driven out of Boston, 1776) and placed it on St. Patrick’s day, in order to give government workers in the City and State, the day off, with pay of course. It actually had more to do with giving the Irish populated Boston South End, St. Patrick’s day off, than anything to do with the British fleeing Boston. To move the day to the 15th, would require the Governor’s signature. I can’t wait to see this tap dance, as the politicians attempt to justify to the public, moving a secular holiday to coincide with a religious one. It will be entertaining.

Jim

 

[chicago]

It is a pity the big parades will take place on what will not to be St Patrick’s day next year.

In Chicago the parades occur on the weekends nearest the feast. The South Side Irish parade may well be on Palm Sunday, then, next year.

 

[Jennifer_G]

Yes and St Valentine also. It’s sad.

St. Valentine was a person?

Actually, when I was a kid, I always thought St. Valentine’s Day had something to do with the Romans and Cupid…

Of course, it could also be that many protestants here in the US (which might be one factor towards why it seems worse) probably never even heard of a (traditional) saint. So, St. Patrick, and St. Valentine are foreign concepts for them. I know I had no idea who those saints were when I was a kid.

 

[stbruno]

Here’s the article. catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=24764

 

[LilyM]

In Chicago the parades occur on the weekends nearest the feast. The South Side Irish parade may well be on Palm Sunday, then, next year.

Same in Sydney - I’d imagine in most places, since St Patrick’s isn’t a public holiday in most places. I think it’d be on the Saturday rather than the Sunday?

 

[Wolseley]

Green beer and parades have as much to do with the Feast of St. Patrick as flying reindeer and a fat old man in a red suit does with Christmas. In other words, nothing.

 

[johnnykins]

Green beer and parades have as much to do with the Feast of St. Patrick as flying reindeer and a fat old man in a red suit does with Christmas. In other words, nothing.

No disparaging comments about fat old men!!

 

[tee_eff_em]

Here’s the article. catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=24764

I call baloney (or “corned beef” if you prefer) on this badly written article.

DUBLIN, Ireland (CNS) - Catholics worldwide will celebrate the feast of St. Patrick two days earlier next year after the Vatican gave permission to move the feast day to avoid a conflict with Holy Week.

Traditionally St. Patrick and all things Irish are celebrated March 17. However, in 2008, March 17 falls on the Monday of Holy Week and, according to church law, the days of Holy Week and Easter rank above all others, so the solemnity of St. Patrick must be moved to another date.

I question particularly that Catholics “worldwide” will celebrate the feast early, because in most of the world, St Patrick is not celebrated as a “solemnity”, but as a *commemoration *-- The Lenten equivalent of an Optional Memorial.

I have no doubt that as the national patron, he is celebrated as a Solemnity in Ireland, and so that place is a right to translate the celebration (as would be other locales under his patronage)

:irish2:
tee

 

[KofC660]

Lost in all of this is St Joseph’s Day, on March 19th.

 

[tee_eff_em]

Both the Solemnity of St Joseph (19-Mar-2008 is Wednesday of Holy Week) and the Solemnity of the Assumption (25-Mar-2008 is Tuesday in the Octave of Easter), Solemnities of the Universal Calendar, need be translated, but I am really not sure there is a hard and fast rule to do so, or whether it is done rather ad hoc.

Often in such case St Joseph is translated *backward *to prior to Holy Week, but if the CDW has already approved such for St Patrick, it may be that the Annunciation will translate to 31-Mar-2008 and St Joseph to 1-Apr-2008. Or, with St Patrick not being universal, St Joseph may go backward to 15-Mar-2008 (or 14-Mar-2008 if St Patrick conflicts).

But don’t quote me on any of that.


tee
armchair liturgical calendar nerd

 

[Sr_Sally]

I guess I’ll just wait until my parish calendar comes out. Then I’ll know all!

Both the Solemnity of St Joseph (19-Mar-2008 is Wednesday of Holy Week) and the Solemnity of the Assumption (25-Mar-2008 is Tuesday in the Octave of Easter), Solemnities of the Universal Calendar, need be translated, but I am really not sure there is a hard and fast rule to do so, or whether it is done rather ad hoc.

Often in such case St Joseph is translated *backward *to prior to Holy Week, but if the CDW has already approved such for St Patrick, it may be that the Annunciation will translate to 31-Mar-2008 and St Joseph to 1-Apr-2008. Or, with St Patrick not being universal, St Joseph may go backward to 15-Mar-2008 (or 14-Mar-2008 if St Patrick conflicts).

But don’t quote me on any of that.


tee
armchair liturgical calendar nerd

 

[chicago]

Or, with St Patrick not being universal, St Joseph may go backward to 15-Mar-2008 (or 14-Mar-2008 if St Patrick conflicts).

That would mean that Friday would not be a penitential day in Lent, as a Solemnity supercedes.

 

[tee_eff_em]

That would mean that Friday would not be a penitential day in Lent, as a Solemnity supercedes.

Yes, that happens occasionally even when Solemnities naturally fall on a Friday (as the Solemnity of St Joseph, 19-Mar-2004)

tee

 

[chicago]

Yes, that happens occasionally even when Solemnities naturally fall on a Friday (as the Solemnity of St Joseph, 19-Mar-2004)

tee

It’ll make for quite a Lenten weekend. St. Joseph’s Day followed by St. Patrick’s Day, followed by Palm Sunday, followed by Hangover (er I mean Holy) Week!

 

[m134e5]

the Solemnity of the Assumption (25-Mar-2008 is Tuesday in the Octave of Easter),

I think you mean the Annunciation. The Assumption is on August 15th. I remember a few years ago the Solemnity of the Annunciation fell on Good Friday- and the Eastern Church has some way of incorporating the two liturgies for when that happens, rather than letting one supercede the other. It must have been very interesting…

I’m not sure when the Annunciation will be next year. I guess it goes to the Monday after Low Sunday but I’ve never heard of a feast day being moved that many days. Feasts of Our Lord (which all the days during the Octave of Easter are) supercede all other liturgies.

 

[tee_eff_em]

I think you mean the Annunciation.

Indeed.

I remember a few years ago the Solemnity of the Annunciation fell on Good Friday- and the Eastern Church has some way of incorporating the two liturgies for when that happens, rather than letting one supercede the other. It must have been very interesting…

I’m not sure when the Annunciation will be next year. I guess it goes to the Monday after Low Sunday but I’ve never heard of a feast day being moved that many days.

I fully expect the Annunciation to be translated to 31-Mar-2008. It was translated even further, to 4-Apr, in the year you describe above, 2005.

Feasts of Our Lord (which all the days during the Octave of Easter are) supercede all other liturgies.

I’ve always thought of the Octave of Easter ranking as Solemnities, albeit ones that supercede Proper Solemnities of the general calendar. I think they are really an immoveable rank unto themselves. (But surely rank higher than Feasts of the Lord) cf. Table of Liturgical Days.


tee