St Patrick's day moved from traditional date

[chicago]

I’m not sure when the Annunciation will be next year. I guess it goes to the Monday after Low Sunday but I’ve never heard of a feast day being moved that many days. Feasts of Our Lord (which all the days during the Octave of Easter are) supercede all other liturgies.

Yes, that is typically where it is transferred when it falls during Holy Week. Actually, it tends to fall there a lot and is not at all uncommon. There are even composed liturgical settings for “Annunciation in Eastertide”. Though because of St. Joseph’s feast also falling during Holy Week next year, this complicates things a bit. Generally, if it simply fell on a Sunday in Lent, it would be transferred to the next day, March 20 but not so in Holy Week.

Must another Solemnity necessarily be transferred OUT of Easter Week, however? Can not Annunication Day be celebrated still during the Octave, perhaps? St. Joseph’s Day, in this case, would fall on Monday after the Second Sunday.

 

[tee_eff_em]

Must another Solemnity necessarily be transferred OUT of Easter Week, however? Can not Annunication Day be celebrated still during the Octave, perhaps? St. Joseph’s Day, in this case, would fall on Monday after the Second Sunday.

The Octave of Easter takes precedence over Proper Solemnities of the general calendar, cf. the Table of Liturgical Days, linked above.

Re-reading which, I wonder about the original premise of the thread? Or at least of the poorly written news item regard St Patrick? Or at least my speculations?

If St Joseph is translated backward, it should supercede the “Proper [Local] Solemnity” of St Patrick, and so should fall to 15-Mar-2008; In those locales which celebrate the Proper Solemnity of St Patrick I would say it should translate in turn to 14-Mar-2008.

But: If the CDW says Properly Solemn St patrick should translate to 15-Mar, perhaps both St Joseph and Annunciation will translate forward? (In which case I believe they would reverse positions wrt each other. Annunciation on 31-Mar-2008, St Joseph *following *on 1-Apr-2008)

Curiouser and curioser,

tee

 

[Goth_Catholic]

Well, this kinda sucks. I was born between St. Patrick’s day and the feast of St. Joseph. Oh well…Easter’s 5 days after my birthday, I could actually celebrate my birthday and easter on the same day

 

[quiet52]

wf-f.org/LitCal2008/index.html

In 2008, the solemn feast day of St. Joseph will be celebrated on Monday, March 31st, and the Annunciation will be celebrated on April 1st.

 

[Andruschak]

I heard it on the radio so I have no links.

Next year St Patrick’s day (March 17th) falls on the Monday of Holy week. No Saint or anyother religious event apart from the normal Holy week ceremonies can be celebrated that week.
The Irish Catholic Bishops then for the first time since 1913 asked the Vatican to have it moved to March 15th which has been granted.

It is a pity the big parades will take place on what will not to be St Patrick’s day next year.

In Ireland the feast day has been secularised somewhat which is a pity.

All I know is that every 17 March, I made a point to wear Orange. Just to upset people. Now that I am a Catholic, I wonder if I am required to stop doing that?

 

[revejj2000]

wf-f.org/LitCal2008/index.html

In 2008, the solemn feast day of St. Joseph will be celebrated on Monday, March 31st, and the Annunciation will be celebrated on April 1st.

According to my liturgical calendar for 2008, for the United States, it has St. Joseph Day (SOLEMNITY) celebrated on Saturday, March 15 and St. Patrick (optional memorial) supressed because it falls during Holy Week. Our Bishop has already sent out notice that the liturgical celebration for March 17 is the Monday of Holy Week (and our Bishop is Irish). Many people will do the secular events on Monday, March 17th. The Annunciation is moved to the first day after the Octave of Easter, which will be Monday, March 31, 2008. Unless there has been changes to the liturgical calendar, I will wait until the 2008 Ordo comes out to plan any liturgical events for Lent 2008.

I see that the Irish Bishops of Ireland have made this request for St. Patrick Day in Ireland is a SOLEMNITY, like St. Joseph Day is. In the US, St. Patrick Day is, like I mentioned above, an optional memorial, it does not have to celebrate whether is falls during Holy Week or not. I once, as a joke, made the comment that I was not going to celebrate St. Patrick Day, but do the Lenten day instead. The one priest at the parish thought I was serious and said he would celebrate Mass that day and let me celebrate the next day.

 

[LilyM]

All I know is that every 17 March, I made a point to wear Orange. Just to upset people. Now that I am a Catholic, I wonder if I am required to stop doing that?

:ehh: :tsktsk:

 

[Tantum_ergo]

I second the eek. Do you know why people wear orange on St. Patrick’s day? Upset is far too ‘mild’ a word. . .

 

[LilyM]

I second the eek. Do you know why people wear orange on St. Patrick’s day? Upset is far too ‘mild’ a word. . .

Got a few hours so I can run over the gist of about half a milennium of Irish history that lies behind the ‘Green’ and ‘Orange’ colours for ya Harry?

 

[Tantum_ergo]

I don’t think he really knew that wearing orange was any more of an annoyance than say sitting in the Red Sox bleachers during a game and yelling, “Yankees rule”! Annoying and petty, yes, but not deliberately malicious.

 

[beckers]

I heard it on the radio so I have no links.

Next year St Patrick’s day (March 17th) falls on the Monday of Holy week. No Saint or anyother religious event apart from the normal Holy week ceremonies can be celebrated that week.
The Irish Catholic Bishops then for the first time since 1913 asked the Vatican to have it moved to March 15th which has been granted.

It is a pity the big parades will take place on what will not to be St Patrick’s day next year.

In Ireland the feast day has been secularised somewhat which is a pity.

My friend is really happy though. He is Irish and getting married on that Saturday before Palm Sunday so it’s a extra specail treat for him that he gets married on St. Patrick day.

 

[snowfly]

I don’t think he really knew that wearing orange was any more of an annoyance than say sitting in the Red Sox bleachers during a game and yelling, “Yankees rule”! Annoying and petty, yes, but not deliberately malicious.

Over there probably not, over here different, in some places you may be taking a ride in the back of an ambulance if your lucky.

A bit like the Glasgow Celtic football tops Catholics wear over here that antagonizes their Protestant counterparts Rangers.

In Scotland it has a troubled history where it made it’s way to us here in Ireland, there have been many conflicts.

I doubt if some of it is genuine support for their football teams, more like Irish Nationalists and Scottish loyalism and their planters here letting the other one know which side of the fence they are on, or as we say, “which foot they kick with”.

We don’t do the green beer thing over here, (was tried but it never took off) it’s very downbeat compared to other parts of the world.

Anyway as it falls during lent, it is one day that we are allowed to break our Lenten fast.

 

[tee_eff_em]

Since this thread has been resurrected, I thought I would note:

wf-f.org/LitCal2008/index.html

In 2008, the solemn feast day of St. Joseph will be celebrated on Monday, March 31st, and the Annunciation will be celebrated on April 1st.

On the calendar referred to above, the entry on 19-Mar *does *claim translation to 31-Mar, but the calendar itself *correctly *lists St Joseph as translated to 15-Mar. cf. the USCCB Liturgical Calendar 2008, miscellaneous note 5 on page 5 (the first note 5, not the second( :ehh: ) one):

The solemnity of St. Joseph, Husband of Mary, March 19, 2008 and the solemnity of the Annunciation of the Lord, March 25, 2008 are transferred this year to March 15 and March 31 respectively.

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