St. Peter in heaven?

[Pureone]

I’m wondering why people consider Peter to be in heaven, when the bible clearly states in Matthew 10:33:
But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Peter denied him three times -Twice before the cock crowed in some scripture and three times before in another-in front of his peers who wrote the gospels.

 

[LilyM]

Because he repented - and also reaffirmed his love for Jesus (thus effectively making up for the denials) three times after the Resurrection. Not to mention suffering a hideous martyrdom for His sake.

Jesus said ‘every sin men commit can be forgiven’.

 

[pablope]

I’m wondering why people consider Peter to be in heaven, when the bible clearly states in Matthew 10:33:
But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Peter denied him three times -Twice before the cock crowed in some scripture and three times before in another-in front of his peers who wrote the gospels.

Where else would Peter be? Peter repented after he realized his denial of the Lord. Look up those accounts of Peter’s denial. He wept bitterly after. The Lord looks at one’s heart, the trueness of one’s repentance more than anything else.

In Mark 16, in the resurrection account, note the angel as a little boy, what he says…“Go tell the disciples and Peter”…the angel mentions only Peter by name. It means Peter’s repentance has been accepted and is forgiven. The risen Lord specifically would like to meet Peter. If the Lord has shunned Peter, he would not have likely wanted to meet with Peter.

 

[Pureone]

Can you give me the verses where he vocalizes his repentance?

Why does the martydom matter? What scripture states that martydom give a fast track to heaven?

Thank you for responding to my questions.

 

[pablope]

Can you give me the verses where he vocalizes his repentance?

Why does the martydom matter? What scripture states that martydom give a fast track to heaven?

Thank you for responding to my questions.

Mark 14:

72 And immediately the cock crowed a second time. And Peter remembered how Jesus had said to him, “Before the cock crows twice, you will deny me three times.” And he broke down and wept.

matthew 26:
75 And Peter remembered the saying of Jesus, “Before the cock crows, you will deny me three times.” And he went out and wept bitterly.

Luke 22:
61 And the Lord turned and looked at Peter. And Peter remembered the word of the Lord, how he had said to him, “Before the cock crows today, you will deny me three times.” 62 And he went out and wept bitterly.

 

[Pureone]

Ok, thanks. Um but now, before the cock crows at all, or twice?

And why does the weeping bitterly carry more significance than the remorse that Judas had, enough that he hung/stabbed himself?

 

[Pureone]

John didn’t think Peter’s repentance was important enough to record? Or was he not using the same text to base his gospel upon?

 

[po18guy]

Peter was reinstated in John 21:15-19, after re-affirming his love of Christ three times. Quote from the Evangelical Protestant NIV bible:

Jesus Reinstates Peter
When they had finished eating, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon son of John, do you love me more than these?” “Yes, Lord,” he said, “you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Feed my lambs.” Again Jesus said, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” He answered, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Take care of my sheep.” The third time he said to him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Feed my sheep. Very truly I tell you, when you were younger you dressed yourself and went where you wanted; but when you are old you will stretch out your hands, and someone else will dress you and lead you where you do not want to go.” Jesus said this to indicate the kind of death by which Peter would glorify God. Then he said to him, “Follow me!”

Peter first denied three times, then affirmed three times. Who is it that feeds the lambs? Who is it that tends the sheep? The shepherd. Before Peter’s three-fold denial, Jesus told Peter in Luke 22:31-32

“Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift all of you as wheat. But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers.”

Jesus predicted Peter’s denials, his repentance, and his martyr’s death. Denial of Christ will net you hell. Repentance and martyrdom for the faith gains you heaven.

 

[po18guy]

John didn’t think Peter’s repentance was important enough to record? Or was he not using the same text to base his gospel upon?

There was no “text” to base anything on. The Gospels are written either by eyewitnesses to the events (Matthew, John), or by those known to Paul (Luke, Mark).

 

[po18guy]

And why does the weeping bitterly carry more significance than the remorse that Judas had, enough that he hung/stabbed himself?

Peter’s weeping expressed contrition which lead to repentance. Peter recovered by the virtue of hope. He had Christ’s prophecy of his repentance. Judas fell into despair. He lacked hope and had Christ’s prophecy of his doom Mark 14:21

(New International Version, ©2011) "The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born.”

 

[Pureone]

Ok, thanks everyone- taught/am a methodist/episcopal, which means little exposure to some of these things. Methodist (like some lutherans) seems sometimes to mean “enjoy the coffee and donughts after the service”. Been trying to learn about these things according to different “sects”- you know what i mean.

Still no reply on the cock crowing thing, but that was a side note i noticed.

so the first three only took his weeping as repent, but John has the conversation. So the other three didn’t think this conversation/repentence was of interest?

No original text? So the Q text or Mark are not the texts that Matthew or Luke are based upon?

 

[Pureone]

Oh, and please, No NIV. Worst translation ever. i’ll take the Latin and slug though it before that.

 

[GloriousOrder]

Pureone, just about martyrdom:

Matthew 5:11 - “Blessed art thou when thou shalt be calumniated against, and persecuted for my sake.”

Christ our Lord made several references to blessedness on the part of those attacked or killed for the faith. I don’t remember them all off-hand, but the bit about turning the other cheek might be fitting here, too. Christ taught that we must turn the other cheek when the first is slapped, so as to transmit love for others. St. Peter’s martyrdom shows that he did turn the other cheek, in the most brutal fashion. He followed our Lord’s commands, and so he is blessed.

You have to use some logic and extrapolation to arrive at certain points. The Holy Scriptures are not 100% of everything. Your own tradition has Richard Hooker, the Anglican priest, who said that the faith really consists of “Scripture, Tradition, and Reason”. That was his triad of Church pillars.

 

[thistle]

Ok, thanks everyone- taught/am a methodist/episcopal, which means little exposure to some of these things. Methodist (like some lutherans) seems sometimes to mean “enjoy the coffee and donughts after the service”. Been trying to learn about these things according to different “sects”- you know what i mean.

Still no reply on the cock crowing thing, but that was a side note i noticed.

so the first three only took his weeping as repent, but John has the conversation. So the other three didn’t think this conversation/repentence was of interest?

No original text? So the Q text or Mark are not the texts that Matthew or Luke are based upon?

I was a born and brought up Methodist but God gave me the grace to see that the Catholic Church is the true Church and I converted.

 

[pablope]

John didn’t think Peter’s repentance was important enough to record? Or was he not using the same text to base his gospel upon?

John’s gospel was written well after the three gospels. John affirmed what was written in the first three and he wrote his gospel to supplement them.

 

[pablope]

Ok, thanks.

And why does the weeping bitterly carry more significance than the remorse that Judas had, enough that he hung/stabbed himself?

Um but now, before the cock crows at all, or twice?

What are you asking here? I do not understand what you are trying to ask, sorry.

The accounts tell that Peter denied Christ, then the cock crowed. That is when Peter realized his sin. Then repented and wept bitterly.

 

[FCEGM]

Ok, thanks. Um but now, before the cock crows at all, or twice?

And why does the weeping bitterly carry more significance than the remorse that Judas had, enough that he hung/stabbed himself?

Judas’ remorse led to despair which led to his suicide; Peter’s remorse was experienced in hope. Notice that he didn’t flee from the rest of the Apostles, but was among them when brought the news of the Resurrection and ran to see for Himself.

 

[po18guy]

Oh, and please, No NIV. Worst translation ever. i’ll take the Latin and slug though it before that.

Agreed. It stinks. However, I use it and the KJV to demonstrate Catholic teaching, to avoid claims of bias by using a “Catholic bible”.

 

[po18guy]

Ok, thanks. Um but now, before the cock crows at all, or twice?

See Mark 14:28-31 (NASB)

“But Peter said to Him, ‘Even though all may fall away, yet I will not.’ And Jesus said to him, ‘Truly I say to you, that this very night, before a rooster crows twice, you yourself will deny Me three times.’ But Peter kept saying insistently, ‘Even if I have to die with You, I will not deny You!’ And they all were saying the same thing also.”

And Mark 14:66-72 (NASB)

“As Peter was below in the courtyard, one of the servant-girls of the high priest came, and seeing Peter warming himself, she looked at him and said, “You also were with Jesus the Nazarene.” But he denied it, saying, “I neither know nor understand what you are talking about.” And he went out onto the porch. The servant-girl saw him, and began once more to say to the bystanders, “This is one of them!” But again he denied it And after a little while the bystanders were again saying to Peter, “Surely you are one of them, for you are a Galilean too.” But he began to curse and swear, “I do not know this man you are talking about!” Immediately a rooster crowed a second time. And Peter remembered how Jesus had made the remark to him, "Before a rooster crows twice, you will deny Me three times.” And he began to weep.

Peter fulfilled Christ’s prophecy about the denials and the rooster crowing. As well, Judas fulfilled Christ’s prophecy about it being better that Judas had never been born.

 

[po18guy]

Ok, thanks everyone- taught/am a methodist/episcopal, which means little exposure to some of these things. Methodist (like some lutherans) seems sometimes to mean “enjoy the coffee and donughts after the service”. Been trying to learn about these things according to different “sects”- you know what i mean.

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