St. Therese Lisieux worldly photographs

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I was a bit scandalized by the fact that St. Therese allowed herself to be photographed in a theatrical costume in a wordly pose, when she was a nun, and also shortly before she entered the convent, dressed in an unbecoming fashion. Could this be explained somehow?

I also noticed that St. Pius X called St. Therese the greatest Saint of modern times, but I see that St. Therese is not a physically incorrupt saint, while a few of her contemporaries are incorrupt: St. Mary Mazzarello, St. John Bosco, and St. Pius X himself.

St. Bernadette and St. Gemma allowed themselves to be photographed, but in a praying pose.

St. Therese Liseux at age 15 shortly before going to the convent: oyemagazine.org/files/imce/St__Therese_of_Lisieux.jpg

A picture of St. Therese of Lisieux dressed as St. Joan of Arc (a play she wrote and acted out for her sister in the Convent): thelittleway.com/images/products/290.jpg

Thérèse of Lisieux dressed as Joan of Arc Lisieux, France, 1894.: radio.weblogs.com/0144108/images/2005/03/23/st_therese.Joan.arc.jpg

Close up photo of St. Therese’ face, when she was dressed as Joan of Arc: images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://catho62-lievin.cef.fr/images/therese14.jpg&imgrefurl=http://catho62-lievin.cef.fr/vie_paroisse/ste_therese.htm&h=400&w=300&sz=14&hl=en&start=6&sig2=IaYoYfbm_eQXUw8tFu7nUw&tbnid=qF2RrnhJVvsWQM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=93&ei=w3yXR8ynHpiCiAHG5ITPCQ&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtherese%2Blisieux%26gbv%3D2%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG
 
Can’t say that I find anything at all scandalous here. And after reading her “story of a soul,” which was written at the direction of and in obedience to, her superiors, I would be convinced of her sanctity, even without canonization.
 
I see nothing “unbecoming” about those photos. In some she’s portraying another saint. If you still feel this was wrong, take heart in the old saying:

“Ever sinner has a future, every saint has a past”
 
Do you think the saints just sat there, out of touch with the world? I doubt God calls many people- if anyone at all- to walk around, totally depriving themselves of any enjoyment of the world around them.
 
7rosario said:
I was a bit scandalized by the fact that St. Therese allowed herself to be photographed in a theatrical costume in a wordly pose, when she was a nun, and also shortly before she entered the convent, dressed in an unbecoming fashion. Could this be explained somehow?
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“Dressed in an unbecoming fashion?” That was about as conservative a dress as you could get in that era. The “theatrical costume” is armour goodness sakes. (Histrorically inaccurate armour, but still.)

Do you think you might have set your bar a little to high?
 
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Just for the record, here is a picture of St. Gemma where she is not praying:
http://www.tfp.org/TFPForum/catholic_perspective/images/st_gemma.jpg
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I have to say, isn’t St Gemma just absolutely radiantly beautiful? A heavenly gem indeed :love:

And I see absolutely nothing wrong with St Therese wearing theatrical costume, especially if it’s to portray another Saint for crying out loud. Most of the Saints were inspired by reading or otherwise hearing about the life stories of others.
 
7rosario said:
I was a bit scandalized by the fact that St. Therese allowed herself to be photographed in a theatrical costume in a wordly pose, when she was a nun, and also shortly before she entered the convent, dressed in an unbecoming fashion. Could this be explained somehow?
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I am at a loss to know why you would be scandalized to know the nuns engaged in drama about the life of a saint and wore appropriate garb for the exercise. You obviously have never seen photos of “theatrical garb” of the era or you would not describe Therese’s apparel in that way. You did not post any unbecoming photos so I don’t know to what you refer.

If you are in the habit of judging and taking scandal at the behavior of canonized saints I sincerely hope for the safety of your soul you are not applying your standards to living sinners.
 
I for one, can find no scandal taking place in these photos…maybe I am missing something???
 
7rosario said:
I was a bit scandalized by the fact that St. Therese allowed herself to be photographed in a theatrical costume in a wordly pose, when she was a nun, and also shortly before she entered the convent, dressed in an unbecoming fashion. Could this be explained somehow?

I also noticed that St. Pius X called St. Therese the greatest Saint of modern times, but I see that St. Therese is not a physically incorrupt saint, while a few of her contemporaries are incorrupt: St. Mary Mazzarello, St. John Bosco, and St. Pius X himself.

St. Bernadette and St. Gemma allowed themselves to be photographed, but in a praying pose.

St. Therese Liseux at age 15 shortly before going to the convent: oyemagazine.org/files/imce/St__Therese_of_Lisieux.jpg

A picture of St. Therese of Lisieux dressed as St. Joan of Arc (a play she wrote and acted out for her sister in the Convent): thelittleway.com/images/products/290.jpg

Thérèse of Lisieux dressed as Joan of Arc Lisieux, France, 1894.: radio.weblogs.com/0144108/images/2005/03/23/st_therese.Joan.arc.jpg

Close up photo of St. Therese’ face, when she was dressed as Joan of Arc: images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://catho62-lievin.cef.fr/images/therese14.jpg&imgrefurl=http://catho62-lievin.cef.fr/vie_paroisse/ste_therese.htm&h=400&w=300&sz=14&hl=en&start=6&sig2=IaYoYfbm_eQXUw8tFu7nUw&tbnid=qF2RrnhJVvsWQM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=93&ei=w3yXR8ynHpiCiAHG5ITPCQ&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtherese%2Blisieux%26gbv%3D2%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG
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Well, if this is all it takes to scandalize you, then you must be in a constant state of unrest!

About the “incorruptible” thing… who really knows what the reasons are for that; not something upon which we base our faith, or a litmus test for sainthood, for sure.

(And yes, St. Gemma is absolutely, radiantly serene and beautiful.!)
 
Well, it seems the OP holds numerous “unorthodox” positions; apparently a sedevacantist, according to his/her web page. (Recent popes were Freemasons, etc. - you get the picture.)

No point arguing about St. Therese or anything else.

Blessings, everyone.
 
There was nothing immodest in those pictures.

Then you have a problem with the idea that her body is not incorrupt. Eh, buddy, St. Peter isn’t incorrupt, nor are many other great saints . . . so, what’s your point?

Are you trying to suggest that St. Therese has been canonized in error? How scandalous of you!
 
Bubble said:
There was nothing immodest in those pictures.

Then you have a problem with the idea that her body is not incorrupt. Eh, buddy, St. Peter isn’t incorrupt, nor are many other great saints . . . so, what’s your point?
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You have a point sorry
 
The problem for many is that our understanding of holiness is distorted, often by the art we see of Jesus, Mary and the Saints, and movies we’ve watched, where Hollywood characterizes and unreal idea of holiness.

First off, what is holiness? It means being whole. Being whole in that the Saint lived as God willed, both in body and soul. God created human beings, not images of Hollywood styled holiness, or bird-bath statues.

Also, holiness is not like we see in the movie, “Jesus of Nazareth,” where the person walks without swing their arms. and where they stare without ever blinking, even as water is running down their face, as the portrayal of Jesus’ baptism.

Further, keep in mind, the Saints didn’t become saints, until they received the sanctifying grace, before they entered heaven.
I don’t believe the Church has ever canonized anyone, while they were still alive.

To me, nothing is more holy, that seeing how the Saints were fully human, and fully alive.

St. Teresa of Avila, use to dance around the room, singing for joy.

St. Juniper, one of St. Francis of Assisi’s closest friends had a enormous sense of humor. He was constantly joking around, finding humor in just about everything, and it came in handy, when people around him, were getting way to serious over an issue.

Remember, to become a saint, means the be human. It means to be what God had in mind, when he created you and to live as such, but even then, you won’t be a saint until you’re with Jesus, in the Kingdom of Heaven.

Jim
 
LilyM said:
I have to say, isn’t St Gemma just absolutely radiantly beautiful? A heavenly gem indeed :love:
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Is it :o verboten to call a saint an 😛 “absolute knockout”?? She sets a new standard for real beauty–of every kind.👍
And I see absolutely nothing wrong with St Therese wearing theatrical costume, especially if it’s to portray another Saint for crying out loud. Most of the Saints were inspired by reading or otherwise hearing about the life stories of others.
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