St Veronica & the Falls Of Jesus Removed From Way of Sorrows

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St Veronica and the falls of Jesus are out, and Judas and Pontius Pilate are in, in a radical revision of the Stations of the Cross by Monsignor Gianfranco Ravasi, prefect of the Ambrosian Library in Milan and a member of the Pontifical Biblical Commission. St Veronica’s act of wiping the face of Jesus with her veil is an ancient tradition of the Church, but since it isn’t mentioned specifically in the Bible, it is being replaced with Judas and Pontius Pilate, who are part of scripture.

Read the story here.
 
And if we all repeat to ourselves, “It’s just a disciplinary change, it’s just a disciplinary change” over and over again, it won’t seem so bad.

One or two disciplinary changes…not a problem. But hundreds? That might start to stink of revolution (which some will insist on calling “reform”).

Good thing we have disciplinary infallibility. You see, God is a God of change. If you don’t like Him today, just wait. He’ll change tomorrow. I remember reading that somewhere.
 
KMXV said:
And if we all repeat to ourselves, “It’s just a disciplinary change, it’s just a disciplinary change” over and over again, it won’t seem so bad.

One or two disciplinary changes…not a problem. But hundreds? That might start to stink of revolution (which some will insist on calling “reform”).

Good thing we have disciplinary infallibility. You see, God is a God of change. If you don’t like Him today, just wait. He’ll change tomorrow. I remember reading that somewhere.
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You probably read it here. 😉
 
hmm…I’m not changing the stations. I do not care what anybody else does. It may be that I stop praying them in groups someday, or that I stop going to churches to pray them if they don’t have all the stations in them anymore. I’ll bring a book of them and meditate on them that way. They are a private devotion and I can pray them however I want. St. Veronica and the falls of Jesus are some of the most meaningful of the stations to me. I will never get rid of them.
 
m134e5 said:
hmm…I’m not changing the stations. I do not care what anybody else does. It may be that I stop praying them in groups someday, or that I stop going to churches to pray them if they don’t have all the stations in them anymore. I’ll bring a book of them and meditate on them that way. They are a private devotion and I can pray them however I want. St. Veronica and the falls of Jesus are some of the most meaningful of the stations to me. I will never get rid of them.
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I’d rather meditate on the goodness of St Veronica and the falls of Jesus, than on the weakness of Pontius Pilate and the maliciousness of Judas. There’s really no contest.
 
I am a little unclear about the article. Are we clear that the revised Stations of the Cross have removed the Falls of Jesus??
 
childofmary1143 said:
I am a little unclear about the article. Are we clear that the revised Stations of the Cross have removed the Falls of Jesus??
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True - I don’t think it’s clear that they were.

I too prefer the Stations precisely as they are (which may shock some of ya, but there you go!) and have prayed them on and off since I was a little girl.
 
Didn’t Pope John Paul II use this different set of Stations at one time or another?
Personally, I prefer the traditional Stations. After all, the traditional Stations are what have been used in Jerusalem and have been rich in indulgences for centuries.
 
paramedicgirl said:
St Veronica and the falls of Jesus are out, and Judas and Pontius Pilate are in, in a radical revision of the Stations of the Cross by Monsignor Gianfranco Ravasi, prefect of the Ambrosian Library in Milan and a member of the Pontifical Biblical Commission. St Veronica’s act of wiping the face of Jesus with her veil is an ancient tradition of the Church, but since it isn’t mentioned specifically in the Bible, it is being replaced with Judas and Pontius Pilate, who are part of scripture.

Read the story here.
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KMXV said:
And if we all repeat to ourselves, “It’s just a disciplinary change, it’s just a disciplinary change” over and over again, it won’t seem so bad.

One or two disciplinary changes…not a problem. But hundreds? That might start to stink of revolution (which some will insist on calling “reform”).

Good thing we have disciplinary infallibility. You see, God is a God of change. If you don’t like Him today, just wait. He’ll change tomorrow. I remember reading that somewhere.
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What’s the history of the Stations of the Cross, the Way of the Cross?
How did it develop over 2000 years to how we know it today?
What different forms has this devotion taken over that time?

The point being this: the devotion didn’t fall from the sky, written on a stone tablet, and now the Vatican is changing it willy-nilly… which is what you seem to be suggesting.
 
CathMass said:
Didn’t Pope John Paul II use this different set of Stations at one time or another?
Personally, I prefer the traditional Stations. After all, the traditional Stations are what have been used in Jerusalem and have been rich in indulgences for centuries.
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5 times or so in the past, I think. Must have escaped the attention of the worthy reporter.
 
childofmary1143 said:
vatican.va/news_services/liturgy/2007/documents/ns_lit_doc_20070406_via-crucis_en.html

I find it insulting that the station where Jesus meets his Mother is taken out.
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But the scene with Mary and John at the foot of the Cross is added :yup:

And Jesus and the Good Thief!

I like those two and the Agony in the Garden at the start. None of the other new ones. And no, they shouldn’t have taken out all of the falls :nope: nor Veronica :nope: nor Jesus and Mary meeting :nope:
 
KMXV said:
And if we all repeat to ourselves, “It’s just a disciplinary change, it’s just a disciplinary change” over and over again, it won’t seem so bad.

One or two disciplinary changes…not a problem. But hundreds? That might start to stink of revolution (which some will insist on calling “reform”).

Good thing we have disciplinary infallibility. You see, God is a God of change. If you don’t like Him today, just wait. He’ll change tomorrow. I remember reading that somewhere.
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How about this post hey? Sarcasm just **dripping **from it… what’s that all about?
 
paramedicgirl said:
St Veronica and the falls of Jesus are out, and Judas and Pontius Pilate are in, in a radical revision of the Stations of the Cross by Monsignor Gianfranco Ravasi, prefect of the Ambrosian Library in Milan and a member of the Pontifical Biblical Commission. St Veronica’s act of wiping the face of Jesus with her veil is an ancient tradition of the Church, but since it isn’t mentioned specifically in the Bible, it is being replaced with Judas and Pontius Pilate, who are part of scripture.

Read the story here.
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I was hearing about this back in 1999 - I think it’s been in the works for quite a while. I was under the impression that Pope John Paul II had initiated a “bible only” Stations of the Cross at one point, although I never did see any details on that.
 
This comment, from the link in the OP’s first post:

"Over the years since Vatican Council II, one has become so used to acts of astonishing impiety on the part of the Church hierarchy, that it seemed there can be little left to cause astonishment. This act, reported on the day of our Saviour’s death, the act of a Pope, of whom so much was hoped and expected, has succeeded in doing so.

Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us. "

is laughable!

“Acts of astonishing impiety” - yeah, OK, uh-huh.

Just another bit of blather.

“Over the years since Vatican II” - suggesting the same old story - that eveything was perfect in the Church before those pesky wreckers came along and messed everything up. Um, no, read your history - there never has been a golden age in the Church where everything was just peachy.

“Acts of astonishing impiety” - the idea that piety is about saying prayers right.

Which is the most pious form of the Way of the Cross? The one that they used in the fourth century? In the tenth? In the sixteenth? The one many Catholics use in the Phillipines, or the one Catholics in the States use; the one with fourteen Stations or the one with fifteen; the way a person prays on their own or the one a group of people prays?
 
Balance said:
This comment, from the link in the OP’s first post:

"Over the years since Vatican Council II, one has become so used to acts of astonishing impiety on the part of the Church hierarchy, that it seemed there can be little left to cause astonishment. This act, reported on the day of our Saviour’s death, the act of a Pope, of whom so much was hoped and expected, has succeeded in doing so.

Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us. "

is laughable!

“Acts of astonishing impiety” - yeah, OK, uh-huh.

Just another bit of blather.

“Over the years since Vatican II” - suggesting the same old story - that eveything was perfect in the Church before those pesky wreckers came along and messed everything up. Um, no, read your history - there never has been a golden age in the Church where everything was just peachy.

“Acts of astonishing impiety” - the idea that piety is about saying prayers right.

Which is the most pious form of the Way of the Cross? The one that they used in the fourth century? In the tenth? In the sixteenth? The one many Catholics use in the Phillipines, or the one Catholics in the States use; the one with fourteen Stations or the one with fifteen; the way a person prays on their own or the one a group of people prays?
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Those are just attached comments from people who responded to the article, and have nothing to do with the article itself. Why even bother to post them?
 
KMXV said:
And if we all repeat to ourselves, “It’s just a disciplinary change, it’s just a disciplinary change” over and over again, it won’t seem so bad.

One or two disciplinary changes…not a problem. But hundreds? That might start to stink of revolution (which some will insist on calling “reform”).

Good thing we have disciplinary infallibility. You see, God is a God of change. If you don’t like Him today, just wait. He’ll change tomorrow. I remember reading that somewhere.
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Sorry, coming back to this post again - it’s bugging me.

Is this a “disciplinary change”? To the best of my knowledge, no Catholic is bound to pray the Way of the Cross - at Lent or any other time. Therefore no Catholic is bound to pray it any particular way - there’s no issue of discipline here, merely the Pope leading the people in the way he sees best.

You might disagree with the Pope (if you like - me, I don’t have the qualifications to do that) but there’s no “stink” here as you suggest.

Maybe this is what you “read somewhere”:
‘Late have I loved Thee, Beauty ever ancient, ever new, late have I loved Thee’ (Bk.10:27).

Ever ancient, ever new… hmmm, that’s something to meditate on.
 
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