St Veronica & the Falls Of Jesus Removed From Way of Sorrows

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I will readily agree that traditions (not Tradition mind you) have changed over the centuries, but always slowly and letting time work out the bugs in the design. The last 40 years however have seen more change then the last 1500 years- and it has been forceful and divisive change.
 
JKirkLVNV said:
You’re comparing John Paul II to the TUDORS?!?!? In historical judgment?!?!??!:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Oh, yeah, you got me there, no one will be able to objectively sort out the life of John Paul II like they could the Tudor queens!
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Not at all, Vegas. I was just making a point about how the way “history” remembers people is not always accurate. Oh, DO learn to read more carefully, Vegas. :rolleyes:
 
Cor_Jesu said:
Yeah, I’ve read a few books on Popes and Church history but they must have left out the ones you’re referring to? How 'bout making it easy for me and supplying the names of the popes you’re talking about and perhaps a brief description of what they did?
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Augustine, in Sermon 9, says,

“I remember that I told your holinesses the day before yesterday that if we were a pop group or putting on that kind of popular entertainment for your frivolities benefit, you would have engaged us to give you a day, and everyone wouldhave contributed what you could afford to our fee. But why should we amble through life, kept amused by idle songs that will never be good for anything, fun at the time, turning sourafterward?”

Then he uses a 10-stringed harp to illustrate the Ten Commandments. (May God help us if we reorder the Ten Commandments to match the protestants in an “ecumenical gesture”!)

A footnote on “pop group” says…“the word I have translated “pop group” is in the plural, cytharoedi. It is the exact word to describe contemporary groups with their electric guitars. The only thing lacking in Augustine’s time was the electicity. The modern guitar is the direct descendant of the ancient cythara.”
 
Cor_Jesu said:
Not at all, Vegas. I was just making a point about how the way “history” remembers people is not always accurate. Oh, DO learn to read more carefully, Vegas. :rolleyes:
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Your profile pic’s too large. 100x 100 pixels is all you’re allowed.
 
Cor_Jesu said:
Not at all, Vegas. I was just making a point about how the way “history” remembers people is not always accurate. Oh, DO learn to read more carefully, Vegas. :rolleyes:
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What darkness is this? :confused:
Is this a true photograph of a topless woman at a mass with JP2?
 
ABostonCatholic said:
Augustine, in Sermon 9, says,

“I remember that I told your holinesses the day before yesterday that if we were a pop group or putting on that kind of popular entertainment for your frivolities benefit, you would have engaged us to give you a day, and everyone wouldhave contributed what you could afford to our fee. But why should we amble through life, kept amused by idle songs that will never be good for anything, fun at the time, turning sourafterward?”

Then he uses a 10-stringed harp to illustrate the Ten Commandments. (May God help us if we reorder the Ten Commandments to match the prots in an “ecumenical gesture”!)

A footnote on “pop group” says…“the word I have translated “pop group” is in the plural, cytharoedi. It is the exact word to describe contemporary groups with their electric guitars. The only thing lacking in Augustine’s time was the electicity. The modern guitar is the direct descendant of the ancient cythara.”
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Very insightful, Boston. 👍
 
I’m off to bed. I shall remember all of your intentions when I say the Chaplet of Divine Mercy (that trendy, innovative devotion) tonight.
 
St_Isidore said:
Your math is correct. I did not know this and now I am shocked!:eek: I am not implying anything either but one third of twenty is 6.66!!! You will find shortly the desert man giving some spin as to how JP2 math defies all other mathematics. Is that a mirage or what?
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You know, I’ve read the “third of the rosary” thing on various sites on the web. But I’ve not seen a direct quote, as in, from Our Lady to the children at Fatima. Could you please post the exact words of our Lady? Was it the one in connection with the First Saturdays?

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Wow! I don’t think I’ve read such angry, uncharitable posts in quite a long while. It is sad that the thread disintegrated into this. Personally, I think it is important to remember that the Way of the Cross and the Rosary are traditions with a little “t”, not a big “T.” I just can’t see getting so worked up over something that, while a beautiful devotion, is not essential to the faith. I don’t like the luminous mysteries so I don’t pray them. But they do not detract from the other mysteries, and it’s no skin off my back if someone finds value in praying them. It just seems as though there are bigger things to worry about.
 
maryalene said:
Wow! I don’t think I’ve read such angry, uncharitable posts in quite a long while. It is sad that the thread disintegrated into this. Personally, I think it is important to remember that the Way of the Cross and the Rosary are traditions with a little “t”, not a big “T.” I just can’t see getting so worked up over something that, while a beautiful devotion, is not essential to the faith. I don’t like the luminous mysteries so I don’t pray them. But they do not detract from the other mysteries, and it’s no skin off my back if someone finds value in praying them. It just seems as though there are bigger things to worry about.
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Yes, my apologies, esp. to Cor Jesu and St. Isidore, for my share of the bile. Really, truly, I allowed myself to get too worked up. I’m just sick to death of the constant picking at the Church. AND OVER THIS, which I cannot imagine is going to actually affect much of anything. The pope hasn’t changed the stations, not for the whole Church.

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. There, I said it in Latin, oughta make everyone happy.
 
I think we all need to have a little more trust in the Providence of God. As He says to St. Catherine in the “Dialogue”:“So these souls certainly receive of my Providence, but they do not understand it because they do not know it, and not knowing it they do not love it, and therefore they receive no fruit of grace from it. Though everything is upright, they see it all distorted. So, because their service and trust are set on darkness, they fall to complaining and impatience.” He is in control. He allows things to heppen for our greater sanctification. Bear trials patiently. If CHurch leaders do things you don’t like, bear it patiently and pray for them. Complaining does nothing but kill your soul.
 
Wow I must say that this thread has brought the best and worst of us here.

JKirkLVNV, my hat is off to you for your truthful, biting and hilarious refutations against Cor Iesu. You are a great person to defend Pope John Paul 2 the GREAT.

👍 👍 👍
 
KMXV said:
And if we all repeat to ourselves, “It’s just a disciplinary change, it’s just a disciplinary change” over and over again, it won’t seem so bad.

One or two disciplinary changes…not a problem. But hundreds? That might start to stink of revolution (which some will insist on calling “reform”).

Good thing we have disciplinary infallibility. You see, God is a God of change. If you don’t like Him today, just wait. He’ll change tomorrow. I remember reading that somewhere.
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I am not clear on this change you mention. So, when is change too much, 1,2,3,…10,…50? Is the Church an ever changing machine churning out changes like an assembly line (I am asking not implying here)? When will change reach a stage where it is no longer of the original intention? It is these small subtle alterations that spark a Revolution.

I think St Veronica & the Falls should remain.
 
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