St. Whosis Congregational Catholic Church?

[SnorterLuster]

Is the Catholic Church, at least in the United States, becoming like the Congregationalists?

From what I can find out, the only churches in my Archdiocese that can have the Tridentine Mass are the parishes that the Archbishop has designated as “Tridentine” parishes. There are now Spanish, Vietnamese and Korean Catholic Churches in my diocese where none existed a few years ago. I read on these bulletin boards that if you don’t like the liturgy in your home parish, go shopping! since every church has it’s own litugy now. And today I read that a group of laity in Boston has brought a lawsuit against the diocese saying the parishes own the land and the church building, not the diocese. I have heard a rumor that some of the largest parishes in my Archdiocese now get to approve a new pastor before the Archbishop appoints him.

What has happened to us? Why do parishes need a full-time, paid Director of Liturgy? Time was the Bishop told the parishes what the liturgy was for the diocese and it was the same in every church.

In keeping with what I suppose is the “Spirit of Vatican II”, I have left my geographical parish for a Tridentine parish. It shouldn’t have to be that way, but it is for many of us.

 

[MrS]

SnorterLuster:

Is the Catholic Church, at least in the United States, becoming like the Congregationalists?

From what I can find out, the only churches in my Archdiocese that can have the Tridentine Mass are the parishes that the Archbishop has designated as “Tridentine” parishes. There are now Spanish, Vietnamese and Korean Catholic Churches in my diocese where none existed a few years ago. I read on these bulletin boards that if you don’t like the liturgy in your home parish, go shopping! since every church has it’s own litugy now. And today I read that a group of laity in Boston has brought a lawsuit against the diocese saying the parishes own the land and the church building, not the diocese. I have heard a rumor that some of the largest parishes in my Archdiocese now get to approve a new pastor before the Archbishop appoints him.

What has happened to us? Why do parishes need a full-time, paid Director of Liturgy? Time was the Bishop told the parishes what the liturgy was for the diocese and it was the same in every church.

In keeping with what I suppose is the “Spirit of Vatican II”, I have left my geographical parish for a Tridentine parish. It shouldn’t have to be that way, but it is for many of us.

if someone really reads what you have posted, they may then see the benefits of the TLM. Thanks for sharing.

 

[rwoehmke]

Not to be concerned about nationally oriented parishes. We used to have them long before Vatican II except it was not always obvious which nationality. Like in Cumberland Wisconsin there was St. Anthony’s for the Italians and a different parish for the Irish. The non-Latin parts of the Mass were in the National tongue. In my own parish there was a time when the Italians sat on St, Anthony’s side(statues) and the Irish on St. Patrick’s. With the large number of immigrants who no longer are forced to learn English it has become the practice of having some masses in a particular language and I suppose depending on the neighborhood maybe all the Masses. A High TLM Mass with Choir is certainly beautiful but I don’t understand the Latin any better than I did fifty years ago. I was told at an Evangelization conference back in the 70"s that the day was coming when fully 50% of the Catholics in the U.S. would be Latinos and it would bring about a change in practices of the Catholic Church because Latino piety was quite a bit different than standard Anglo. Obviously that time is at hand. It reminds me of the old story where tthe Lone Ranger and Tonto are riding through the wilderness and the Lone Ranger says to Tonto,“Looks like the Indians. We better take cover.” and Tonto says,“Me not worrried, Whiteman .”

 

[SnorterLuster]

rwoehmke:

Not to be concerned about nationally oriented parishes. We used to have them long before Vatican II except it was not always obvious which nationality.

As we did here. The difference is today they are labeled as being specifically ethnic or national in origin. As your example, the Church was St. Anthony, not St. Anthony Italian Catholic Church. Maybe it is distressful to me being in the South. Years ago we had a parish for the Mexicans, a parish for the Negroes, and the other parishes for all the rest of us. We outgrew those designations before 1970. Now, it seems we are going back to the days of segregating Catholics by not only race, but by politics. If it keeps on, we will have to have separate Masses in each parish so each little group can do their own thing.

 

[netmilsmom]

MrS:

if someone really reads what you have posted, they may then see the benefits of the TLM. Thanks for sharing.

Or at least an EWTN type mass.

 

[QUICUMQUE_VULT]

SnorterLuster:

Is the Catholic Church, at least in the United States, becoming like the Congregationalists?

From what I can find out, the only churches in my Archdiocese that can have the Tridentine Mass are the parishes that the Archbishop has designated as “Tridentine” parishes. There are now Spanish, Vietnamese and Korean Catholic Churches in my diocese where none existed a few years ago. I read on these bulletin boards that if you don’t like the liturgy in your home parish, go shopping! since every church has it’s own litugy now. And today I read that a group of laity in Boston has brought a lawsuit against the diocese saying the parishes own the land and the church building, not the diocese. I have heard a rumor that some of the largest parishes in my Archdiocese now get to approve a new pastor before the Archbishop appoints him.

What has happened to us? Why do parishes need a full-time, paid Director of Liturgy? Time was the Bishop told the parishes what the liturgy was for the diocese and it was the same in every church.

In keeping with what I suppose is the “Spirit of Vatican II”, I have left my geographical parish for a Tridentine parish. It shouldn’t have to be that way, but it is for many of us.

Awesome post!
yep I did just that. Went “Liturgical Shopping” and found me A TLM Parish…never looked back, and I am A Convert
Thanks be to God!