Standing during the Consecration

[mdgspencer]

Personally, I’m not troubled by these things. I have been in church where they ordered everyone to stand during the eucharistic prayer, but I knelt anyways. In one diocese where I go to mass when visiting my mother, the bishop has ordered all the priests to tell their people that they must stand after the Agnus Dei. But I kneel then too, not bothering to see what other people do then, since the Church has given freedom to the faithful to choose their posture then. I feel that what others do is their responsibility, and so I am not disturbed by these situations. On the other hand I feel that what I do is mine, and so I feel perfectly free to kneel at those times.
But I can see how some people must be troubled by such problems, and if I was myself, I would change parishes immediately. You have the right to join any parish with perfect freedom.

I’m sorry, I wasn’t clear about my problem: it’s the fact that I feel so crazy while I’m there. We have continued to kneel and I had all the information in case he spoke to me about it, (altho your short answer is much better!), but I feel seriously torn up inside.

Thanks for your patience!

 

[Brendan]

. It is possible that some other country has a particular national version that permits a different posture in the same way that the US has a version that say to remain kneeling until after the Great Amen.

I was at several Mass’s at the Cathedral in Seoul.

It seems the normative position for the diocese is that the faithful remain standing during the Consecration, but conduct a deep, profound bow during the whole Consecration. The faithful rise briefly at each Elevation, but resume the bow afterword.

 

[m134e5]

The Bible says “at the Name of Jesus, every knee shall bend”- there is no stipulation there that says “if you want to”. I don’t think I could do anything but kneel.

 

[plh]

I am upset because the pastor recently started telling us that we must stand for the Consecration. He has already made it Perfectly Clear that he doesn’t welcome any questions about anything that he does.

He seems to be quite popular with the bishop, who also has not said anything about it.

The problem is that the next-nearest Mass is so far away that it is even more difficult for us to get to (living in the rural South presents some problems for Catholics ). Sometimes I can either get to this Mass or no Mass at all,but since it is along way away, I feel very upset about this situation by the time I arrive.

I just don’t want my children exposed to this casual attitude towards the Eucharist (the other church is much better). There are other problems, but this one is the worst,and it just makes me feel sick that he is “teaching” that our comfort comes before reverence to Our Lord.

I hope you are not talking about the Charleston (SC) diocese. Our parish and pastor are wonderful and so is the Bishop.

 

[Corki]

Kneeling is not the universal norm. The United States has a special indult to kneel. It is not a universal norm but a local norm. Which means those people in the US should be kneeling during the consecration.

No, the US has a special indult to kneel after the Agnus Dei. The only thing different for the US at the consecration is that it is specified that we remain kneeling from after the Sanctus until after the Great Amen. The universal GIRM say that the congregation kneels for the consecration but is not as spicific on the timing.

 

[8640]

No, the US has a special indult to kneel after the Agnus Dei. The only thing different for the US at the consecration is that it is specified that we remain kneeling from after the Sanctus until after the Great Amen. The universal GIRM say that the congregation kneels for the consecration but is not as spicific on the timing.

Thanks for the clarification, that really helps!

 

[wjp984]

I personally do not kneel when attending certain Eastern Divine Liturgies. Because you are not supposed to kneel during certain Eastern Divine Liturgies, in some Rites you do kneel. However you are required to kneel if you are physically able during a Western Mass in the United States. It is important to remember where you are at and not impose Eastern practice in Western Liturgy and Western practice in Eastern Liturgy. Each have their own set of liturgical norms.

Not that I am against kneeling but why do you think any Eastern Catholic churches kneel at all? That is exactly what the RCC did. I could be wrong but I know that the Ruthenian Church used to kneel and then was given permission to stand again in recent years.

 

[Patchunky]

Not that I am against kneeling but why do you think any Eastern Catholic churches kneel at all? That is exactly what the RCC did. I could be wrong but I know that the Ruthenian Church used to kneel and then was given permission to stand again in recent years.

Actually, the opposite is the case.

Traditionally, standing is the norm. The 7th Ecumenical Council decreed that there was to be no kneeling on Sundays during the Divine Liturgy and no kneeling whatsoever from Paska-Easter until Pentecost.

Many Ruthenian & Ukrainian parishes in Europe began to copy the kneeling of their Latin neighbors and brought this custom to the US when they emmigrated.

As a result of Vatican II, the Eastern churches have begun “taking back” our Traditions and customs such as standing during the Divine Liturgy.

Hope this helps…

 

[mystified]

It was in the Diocese of Orange. The same parish is no longer permitted to have an indult Latin Mass.