Star Trek Beyond - Farewell to a Franchise

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Indeed Mirror Kira was exactly that, the Mirror of Prime Kira. Prime Kira was arguably the most religious and spiritual character on Star Trek. So much so that in the “relaunch novels” which continue the story beyond the end of the series (in universe after 2375), she eventually becomes a Bajoran Vedek (roughly equivalent of bishop) after retiring from Starfleet (Bajor is eventually admitted to the Federation and the Bajoran militia largely absorbed into Starfleet).
 
Yep, the character growth among most of the DS9 cast was quite striking when compared to say TNG where most of the characters growth was largely stagnant with one or two exceptions. I mean Rom, Nog, Sisko, Kira, Dax (x2), Worf to an extent, Bashir, even Quark and Odo, all grew and changed by leaps and bounds. Really only O’Brien seemed pretty much the same character at the beginning of the series that he was at the end, which is probably not a coincidence as he was a TNG carry over.
 
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Yep, the character growth among most of the DS9 cast was quite striking when compared to say TNG where most of the characters growth was largely stagnant with one or two exceptions. I mean Rom, Nog, Sisko, Kira, Dax (x2), Worf to an extent, Bashir, even Quark and Odo, all grew and changed by leaps and bounds. Really only O’Brien seemed pretty much the same character at the beginning of the series that he was at the end, which is probably not a coincidence as he was a TNG carry over.
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Finally finished DS9 & yes, it probably is the best at character development.
It dopes bug me that throughout all the Trek incarnations Earth has left behind ignorance, poverty and religion which was no doubt the cause of selfsame poverty & ignorance while treating other planet’s faiths with respect. Also odd that other planets have only one culture andone religion.
NB in DS9 Bajor’s spirituality is literally true.

Dr Bashir got on my nerves with his constant moralizing. I do think in real life humans and the other humanoid races (except maybe Vulcans) would be perfectly willing to commit genocide and wipe out the changelings/Founders.

Last, is it worth bothering with ST: Enterprise?
 
didymus said:
Finally finished DS9 & yes, it probably is the best at character development.
It dopes bug me that throughout all the Trek incarnations Earth has left behind ignorance, poverty and religion which was no doubt the cause of selfsame poverty & ignorance while treating other planet’s faiths with respect. Also odd that other planets have only one culture andone religion.
NB in DS9 Bajor’s spirituality is literally true.

Dr Bashir got on my nerves with his constant moralizing. I do think in real life humans and the other humanoid races (except maybe Vulcans) would be perfectly willing to commit genocide and wipe out the changelings/Founders.

Last, is it worth bothering with ST: Enterprise?
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If you go into Enterprise expecting more misses than hits in years 1&2 and knowing year 3 is its own interesting detour… It can be worth watching.
 
Seasons 1 and 2 for Enterprise are ok. They’re about on par with most of Voyager and TNG. They’re each “alien of the week” episodes and there’s not a lot of continuity you need to keep track of. However, Star Trek: Enterprise is a lot better. The entirety of season 3 is a single story that I think is really good. Season 4 is also really good in that it’s a collection of smaller stories. There are a lot of 2 and 3 episode story arcs that do a lot to develop the Star Trek universe. DS9 is my favorite Trek series, but seasons 3 and 4 of Enterprise is my second favorite.
 
ToeInTheWater said:
Another interesting scenario might be, a species that starts out as one sex, and eventually morphs into another, this happens in some actual fish species.
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This was central to the plot of Ursula K. Le Guin’s “The Left Hand of Darkness” which won both the Hugo and the Nebula awards in 1970.
 
I saw Ster Trek: Beyond the other day. It’s a good movie. While the gay thing definitely irked me, it didn’t really feature much in the movie. I enjoyed the movie.
 
AdamPeter said:
I saw Ster Trek: Beyond the other day. It’s a good movie. While the gay thing definitely irked me, it didn’t really feature much in the movie. I enjoyed the movie.
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Yeah if my wife and I can ever find a babysitter I’ll finally get to go see it. We were hoping it would be our local theater’s “Baby’s Night Out” movie next week, but alas they’ve decided to go with Bad Moms instead.
 
didymus said:
Finally finished DS9 & yes, it probably is the best at character development.
It dopes bug me that throughout all the Trek incarnations Earth has left behind ignorance, poverty and religion which was no doubt the cause of selfsame poverty & ignorance while treating other planet’s faiths with respect. Also odd that other planets have only one culture andone religion.
NB in DS9 Bajor’s spirituality is literally true.

Dr Bashir got on my nerves with his constant moralizing. I do think in real life humans and the other humanoid races (except maybe Vulcans) would be perfectly willing to commit genocide and wipe out the changelings/Founders.

Last, is it worth bothering with ST: Enterprise?
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I don’t think it’s clear at all that Earth in DS9 doesn’t have religion.
 
anon67074017 said:
At least Spock and Kirk are not gay.
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Although I hear that they are origin of the fanfiction term “slash”

BTW - is the latest Star Trek movie odd or even? Trying to decide if I want to watch it…

Tom A.
Babylon 5 was such a breath of fresh air compared to the “reset button” Star Trek shows, however, since arcs have been adopted by almost every SF show now-a-days, I cannot just sit down and watch one, as it is almost always in the middle of a story.
 
_Abyssinia said:
Yet despite controversy, Star Trek TOS featured the interracial kiss. Obviously one man and one woman with different skin colours have the complementarity that same-sex couples lack, but there was obviously controversy in that time regarding an interracial kiss… and yet Star Trek went there. It’s just curious.
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That episode was not shown in all markets because of the kiss. I’m sure the whole show would have been terminated if they had a same sex couple back then.

Tom A.
 
jmcrae said:
The objection to homosexual activity of any kind, including “gay marriage”, is that it cannot produce children. This isn’t a solvable problem.
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Huh? Gay couples can adopt; divorced people who then become part of a same sex partnership can still keep custody of their children. And female couples can have children in a number of ways, including adoption.

Tom A.
Once upon a time Christianity thought the sins of the mind were worse than the sins of the flesh.
 
meteoric said:
Huh? Gay couples can adopt; divorced people who then become part of a same sex partnership can still keep custody of their children. And female couples can have children in a number of ways, including adoption.
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Those children were produced elsewhere. I was saying they can’t produce children; not that children can’t come from somewhere else to live with them.
Once upon a time Christianity thought the sins of the mind were worse than the sins of the flesh.
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Sin begins with the idea to commit sin, for sure.
 
meteoric said:
Although I hear that they are origin of the fanfiction term “slash”

BTW - is the latest Star Trek movie odd or even? Trying to decide if I want to watch it…

Tom A.
Babylon 5 was such a breath of fresh air compared to the “reset button” Star Trek shows, however, since arcs have been adopted by almost every SF show now-a-days, I cannot just sit down and watch one, as it is almost always in the middle of a story.
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It’s odd. But Nemesis broke the old odd/even cycle. 2009 was odd and it was considered quite good. Everyone I know who has seen Beyond agrees it was also good, so if anything a new odd/even cycle has begun with the reboots, just in reverse.
 
meteoric said:
Although I hear that they are origin of the fanfiction term “slash”
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True, but it was something a segment of the fandom made up, rather than anything in the material.
Padres1969 said:
It’s odd. But Nemesis broke the old odd/even cycle. 2009 was odd and it was considered quite good. Everyone I know who has seen Beyond agrees it was also good, so if anything a new odd/even cycle has begun with the reboots, just in reverse.
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The trick is that once the film number hits double digits, you start adding the numbers together to get the actual value for odd/even. Nemesis is 1+0=1, so odd. 2009 is 1+1=2, so even. Et cetera. :D
 
MLMartin97 said:
True, but it was something a segment of the fandom made up, rather than anything in the material.
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 The trick is that once the film number hits double digits, you start adding the numbers together to get the actual value for odd/even. Nemesis is 1+0=1, so odd. 2009 is 1+1=2, so even. Et cetera. :D
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You may be on to something. Though that means the already greenlight Star Trek 14 is doomed.
 
edwest2 said:
Farewell. And I pray farewell to slash fanfiction.

Ed
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Sadly no. Slash has been around for years and isn’t going anywhere. Nor is it limited to Star Trek. You can find fan fiction slash for just about any character pairing from almost every pop culture property out there. I have an acquaintance who loves writing that garbage. Irony being she’s also an amateur Christian apologist and evangelical pastor’s daughter 🤷.
 
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