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JMartyr73340
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I would have no problem with a beastiality character, since I’m sure sex with animals will be the next progressive-sexual fad that our society embraces. Warp speed ahead into the future, my fellow Catholics!
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Padres1969
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Well Star Trek has had inter species relationships for most of the last 50 years, and some races aren’t totally human looking on Star Trek…
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Rhubarb
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It’s also a very slippery slope
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Padres1969
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Indeed. Pedophilia is also thrown about in a similar manner as if its also some form of “natural progression”. Which is again fallacious since consent is not possible with a minor.
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JMartyr73340
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You’re right! CONSENT is the real issue, not the perversion itself.
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JMartyr73340
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Hmm…has there been a slippery slope on sex? Let’s see:
- total acceptance and widespread use of contraception (1960)
- widespread acceptance of fornication as a replacement for marriage (1970)
- widespread use and acceptance of pornography (1980)
- widespread acceptance of homosexuals acts (sodomy) as being morally equal to life-producing heterosexual intercourse (1990)
- 2015: recent Huntington post article defending pedophilia, movies and shows endorsing sadomasochism (Fifty Shades of Grey) and incest (Game of Thrones).
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Padres1969
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You’ve clearly never watched Game of Thrones. It does anything but endorse incest. In fact, the incestuous couple on that show are presented as two of the most perverse and dispensable people in their universe who are on a slow train to getting their comeuppance.
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Padres1969
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You’ve clearly never watched Game of Thrones. It does anything but endorse incest. In fact, the incestuous couple on that show are presented as two of the most perverse and dispensable people in their universe who are on a slow train to getting their comeuppance.
And the only article on pedophilia I can find on Huffington Post is one from a few years back discussing that the APA no longer classifies those who don’t act on their impulses as having a psychiatric condition. But that’s not the Huffington Post making that determination.
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didymus
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To me good SF is about extrapolating the present and investigating possible futures.
So what happens in 300 years? Probably a hedonistic culture with sex almost completely divorced from procreation*.
Already there are people (okay, men) who prefer porn to real relationships so what happens when holodecks are available?
Certainly any disapproval of homosexuality will be a distant memory and medical science would probably make it possible to actually “transition” men/women into the opposite sex.
As for pedophilia, I suspect that’s one taboo that will survive.
*actually, I think it’s rather quaint that in all the ST’s women are still pregnant and going into labor. I’m pretty sure by that time couples will drop off the eggs and sperm to be incubated in an artificial womb.
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John_Lazarus
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Planet Risa; the Deltans (Deltan Starfleet recruits have to sign a pledge not to have sex with less sexually enlightened species); and I think the planet where Wesley almost got executed for stepping on a plant.
Barclay was a mild version.
Outside of Trills (and that’s not really analogous) I don’t recall seeing this. Although in the episode “Turnabout Intruder” Kirk temporarily becomes a woman in a man’s body.
Seems to be. In one episode of DS9, Keiko O’Brien gets turned into a child version of herself in (I think) a transporter accident. Physically she’s about eight or so, but mentally and emotionally the same adult Keiko. When she tries to get frisky with Miles, you can practically feel his squick factor.
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The Borg, and also I think the planet of hermaphroditic/asexual aliens in TNG.
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Padres1969
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Don’t forget Harry Kim. There was an entire episode devoted to him falling for a girl on the Holodeck. Of course she ended up being an alien who tried to take over and destroy Voyager, but he didn’t know that at the time.
And technically the Doctor was a mobile holodeck character himself, albeit a self aware one. And he had relations with many women over the course of the show. He even procreated at one point as I recall.
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John_Lazarus
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I also forgot about Geordi La Forge; seems to me he was always after the digital damsels.
In the episode “The Naked Now” Data became basically a sex toy for Yar.
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Padres1969
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To be fair they were all under the influence of some form of infection that even impacted Data. Though that was his last sexual relationship until the Borg Queen, who also used him as a sex toy.
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jmcrae
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I saw the movie and I enjoyed it! The scene in question, if I hadn’t been told, I would have assumed the guy was Sulu’s brother in law, babysitting the child until Mom gets back from her deep space mission or something.
I went to Vulcan today and saw the Star Trek museum - it’s really well done! Everything in it is authentic; the real costumes and the real props. It also indicates which episodes each item was in, how many times it was used, and all that.
They also have props and costumes from various movies made in Alberta, including Superman’s cape - so, yeah - you can tug on Superman’s cape at the Star Trek museum in Vulcan.
I went to Vulcan today and saw the Star Trek museum - it’s really well done! Everything in it is authentic; the real costumes and the real props. It also indicates which episodes each item was in, how many times it was used, and all that.
They also have props and costumes from various movies made in Alberta, including Superman’s cape - so, yeah - you can tug on Superman’s cape at the Star Trek museum in Vulcan.
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gracepoole
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I’d still advise against spitting into the wind.so, yeah - you can tug on Superman’s cape at the Star Trek museum in Vulcan.
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jmcrae
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Or pulling the mask off the Lone Ranger, or messing with anyone who has only one name like Jim, or Slim.I’d still advise against spitting into the wind.
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MrZoom
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Beyond looks like it’s dropping out of the domestic box office top 10, and is going to struggle to make it to $150 million. With the older, lower-budgeted Trek movies, this would be a huge success. Unfortunately, Beyond has a $185 million budget. It’s going to need help from overseas grosses and home media to break even.
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Padres1969
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It’s already made $231 million worldwide. I wouldn’t worry too much about it. The studio has already made their money back and then some even with the marketing budget. And Star Trek IV (or XIV depending on your view of it) has already been green lit.
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pnewton
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Even though I judge this particular slope by my observation over my life time, you are correct in that it should only apply to reality, not fiction, as it is an alternative universe, as it were. For example, what would a half-Andorian, half-horta be?
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Padres1969
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That was George Takei’s take on the Abramsverse Sulu being gay, when his character clearly wasn’t. That it was tacked on. He said he’d much rather have seen a new gay character.
As for non-traditional families, I forget if it got addressed much in the TV shows (and thus show canon), but they delve into it more in the novels that the Andorians are not a two sex species, but rather a four sex species. To procreate it takes a family unit of four adults. Two types of “males” who fertilize an egg from one of the two “female” sexes, who then transfers the fertilized egg to the other “female” sex who carries it to term (while not providing any genetic material to the embryo oddly enough).
As for non-traditional families, I forget if it got addressed much in the TV shows (and thus show canon), but they delve into it more in the novels that the Andorians are not a two sex species, but rather a four sex species. To procreate it takes a family unit of four adults. Two types of “males” who fertilize an egg from one of the two “female” sexes, who then transfers the fertilized egg to the other “female” sex who carries it to term (while not providing any genetic material to the embryo oddly enough).
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