Star Wars Force Awakens newest trailer

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The actor playing the sith like dark side character has been revealed to be played by the actor named Adam Driver. Mark Hamill is shorter than this character and much older. Also, there is a spoiler picture out there that shows what Luke will look like and its not this kylo ren guy. In the first teaser trailer, released last year in November, you can clearly see Luke’s mechanical hand touching artoo detoo’s dome at the end of the teaser
 
louisak said:
I don’t see how it contradicts it. It’s possible for a person to say that he will never do something, and then later do it anyway. In fact it happens all the time.

Granted it would defy all our expectations about what kind of person Luke is. But I would be prepared to accept it, if the movie shows us convincing reasons why it could happen. I wasn’t convinced by Anakin Skywalker’s turn to evil in the prequels. But that’s another topic… don’t want to derail this thread.
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And of course anyone can be corrupted. Although I would like to know how that came about, in fact it would make me watch.
 
tomarin said:
A propos of the identity of the Darth Vader-like guy, one thing I’ve never quite understood about the Star Wars universe, which seems to be a Manichean universe with the two sides of the Force battling throughout eternity, is why is there a ‘good’ side to root for at all? In other words, if the universe itself doesn’t distinguish between black and white, yin and yang, then isn’t the distinction between one side being ‘good’ and the other ‘evil’ an arbitrary one? Couldn’t we just as well root for Darth Vader and company as for Luke, Han, Chewbacca, Princess Lea, etc…?

That is to say, if the universe in Star Wars doesn’t make a moral distinction between black and white, yin and yang, etc. Obviously it does make a distinction, but normally in Manichean dualism there is no such distinction, just two equally matched sides.
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Yeah, I think this comes from Lucas trying to blend Eastern and Western philosophies together. But you’re right it doesn’t really work, logically.

Funny thing though, I do remember in one of the old Star Wars video games I used to play, there was a character who basically said what you just said. That character ended up being the “villain” but I remember thinking “Ehh, she’s kind of right.” Good and evil can’t be anything but arbitrary if there’s no ultimate standard of Goodness which we can recognize.

I love how we just combined Star Wars and theology together. Only on CAF. 😛
 
jediliz said:
that would contradict return of the jedi’s ending where Luke said he would NEVER turn to the dark side.
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True, but it seems like the context of the entire movie is that 40 years after they got rid of the Emperor and destroyed the second Death Star the Empire is still around, implying that victory wasn’t complete (pretty reasonable given the size of the Empire). So what happened during that 40 years? Did Luke turn to the Dark Side (power corrupts) or maybe his son?

I can’t wait to find out myself.

Matt
 
Robyn_p said:
Yeah, I think this comes from Lucas trying to blend Eastern and Western philosophies together. But you’re right it doesn’t really work, logically.

Funny thing though, I do remember in one of the old Star Wars video games I used to play, there was a character who basically said what you just said. That character ended up being the “villain” but I remember thinking “Ehh, she’s kind of right.” Good and evil can’t be anything but arbitrary if there’s no ultimate standard of Goodness which we can recognize.

I love how we just combined Star Wars and theology together. Only on CAF. 😛
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It occurs to me that one of the things that made the first movie so appealing is in between the extreme Good (Luke and Leia) and the Extreme Bad (Vader and the Emperor) you had a morally ambiguous character, Han Solo, who like Humphrey Bogart in Casablanca refuses to align himself with any side until the last minute. And even then in Han’s case you get the impression he still might jump ship at any moment. He’s a person who is skeptical of abstractions and ideologies, because he’s had to live by his wits for so long.
 
Matthew125 said:
True, but it seems like the context of the entire movie is that 40 years after they got rid of the Emperor and destroyed the second Death Star the Empire is still around, implying that victory wasn’t complete (pretty reasonable given the size of the Empire). So what happened during that 40 years? Did Luke turn to the Dark Side (power corrupts) or maybe his son?

I can’t wait to find out myself.

Matt
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Or maybe the bad guy is a younger clone of Luke.
 
tomarin said:
It occurs to me that one of the things that made the first movie so appealing is in between the extreme Good (Luke and Leia) and the Extreme Bad (Vader and the Emperor) you had a morally ambiguous character, Han Solo, who like Humphrey Bogart in Casablanca refuses to align himself with any side until the last minute. And even then in Han’s case you get the impression he still might jump ship at any moment. He’s a person who is skeptical of abstractions and ideologies, because he’s had to live by his wits for so long.
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Ah yes, but judging by the trailers. Han Solo gets “religion” in his old age-now a bona fide believer of the Force. It’s true-all of it.
 
Some facts about Star Wars:

When the latest trailer came out earlier in the week it had 128,000,000 views. Previous record was 19,600,000.

Pre-sales for opening day totalled $6,500,000 which was 8x - 10x according to Fandago and AMC.

My prediction is that Star Wars Episode 7 will gross one billion dollars worldwide (Prev. record was Jurassic World which did half of that on a 3 day weekend whereas Star Wars will be 4 day weekend).
 
saintjohnxxiii said:
Some facts about Star Wars:

When the latest trailer came out earlier in the week it had 128,000,000 views. Previous record was 19,600,000.

Pre-sales for opening day totalled $6,500,000 which was 8x - 10x according to Fandago and AMC.

My prediction is that Star Wars Episode 7 will gross one billion dollars worldwide (Prev. record was Jurassic World which did half of that on a 3 day weekend whereas Star Wars will be 4 day weekend).
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I wouldn’t be surprised. This one is definitely going to break some records.
 
Han Solo is repeating a line from the first three movies. I’m extremely disappointed. My expectations just dropped.
 
Robyn_p said:
Awe really? I liked that part.
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There is one line from the earlier movies that I EXPECT to be in TFA, and I will be disappointed if it’s not there …

[SIGN]I have a bad feeling about this[/SIGN]
 
I urge everyone, whoever you are, to boycott Star Wars Force Awakens movie produced by the Disney Corporation.

It ain’t Uncle Walt’s company anymore.

Disney in name only, the Disney Corporation is producing a TV sitcom that ridicules Catholics and Catholicism.

There are petitions out there that folks can still sign.

Disney / ABC Television Group, a division of the Walt Disney Company, went after Protestants in 2012 with the GCB sitcom.

Now they have their sights fixed on Catholics with this new production promoting degeneracy and Anti-Catholic Christian propaganda.

Coming soon to the Vast Wasteland on your TV Screen courtesy of the Disney / ABC Television Group: The Real O’Neals.

abc.go.com/shows/the-real-oneals

Disney wants your money; do yourself a favor and don’t give it to them; don’t buy a movie ticket and save your money.

I know folks out there like their entertainment, but Disney is not your friend, and don’t support Disney Corporation by purchasing a movie ticket to see Star Wars Force Awakens.

Unfortunately, we got a toxic culture out there; don’t support it by giving your money to Disney Corp.

More on the Real O’Neals:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=960413

ABC Sitcom The Real O’Neals is Likely the Most Anti-Catholic Thing You’ll See Today:

townhall.com/tipsheet/christinerousselle/2015/05/14/abc-sitcom-the-real-oneals-is-likely-the-most-anticatholic-thing-youll-see-today-n1999202

Disney bought Lucasfilm and Star Wars in 2012 for $4 Billion:

bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2013-03-07/how-disney-bought-lucasfilm-and-its-plans-for-star-wars
 
Dwyer said:
I urge everyone, whoever you are, to boycott Star Wars Force Awakens movie produced by the Disney Corporation.

It ain’t Uncle Walt’s company anymore.

Disney in name only, the Disney Corporation is producing a TV sitcom that ridicules Catholics and Catholicism.

There are petitions out there that folks can still sign.

Disney / ABC Television Group, a division of the Walt Disney Company, went after Protestants in 2012 with the GCB sitcom.

Now they have their sights fixed on Catholics with this new production promoting degeneracy and Anti-Catholic Christian propaganda.

Coming soon to the Vast Wasteland on your TV Screen courtesy of the Disney / ABC Television Group: The Real O’Neals.

abc.go.com/shows/the-real-oneals

Disney wants your money; do yourself a favor and don’t give it to them; don’t buy a movie ticket and save your money.

I know folks out there like their entertainment, but Disney is not your friend, and don’t support Disney Corporation by purchasing a movie ticket to see Star Wars Force Awakens.

Unfortunately, we got a toxic culture out there; don’t support it by giving your money to Disney Corp.

More on the Real O’Neals:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=960413

ABC Sitcom The Real O’Neals is Likely the Most Anti-Catholic Thing You’ll See Today:

townhall.com/tipsheet/christinerousselle/2015/05/14/abc-sitcom-the-real-oneals-is-likely-the-most-anticatholic-thing-youll-see-today-n1999202

Disney bought Lucasfilm and Star Wars in 2012 for $4 Billion:

bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2013-03-07/how-disney-bought-lucasfilm-and-its-plans-for-star-wars
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I think it’s more effective to just not give that particular show any attention than boycott Disney, which will only gin up controversy and make more people watch the show. If the ratings aren’t good, it’ll get cancelled on its own.

Besides, anti-Catholicism isn’t new in the media. I don’t think that’s a valid reason to boycott a company personally. Haters gonna hate, but that’s their issue, not mine. All I can do is live the best Christian life I can. They can smear us, but whatever. The truth stands on its own.
 
Robyn_p said:
I think it’s more effective to just not give that particular show any attention than boycott Disney, which will only gin up controversy and make more people watch the show. If the ratings aren’t good, it’ll get cancelled on its own.

Besides, anti-Catholicism isn’t new in the media. I don’t think that’s a valid reason to boycott a company personally. Haters gonna hate, but that’s their issue, not mine. All I can do is live the best Christian life I can. They can smear us, but whatever. The truth stands on its own.
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I can’t stop anyone from seeing Star Wars #7.

I don’t agree with your opinion because a boycott did work with 'The Golden Compass" movie more recently and back in the 1930s Catholics en masse boycotted Tinseltown and caused great change in the movies and their content.

This Star Wars stuff is like drugs for a lot of people and it takes over their reason.

It’s only a stupid movie; Lucas and his advisor Mythologist Joseph Campbell ripped a lot of the plots and themes from ancient myths and legends, and packaged it all into two hour condensed format for the average movie goer out there.

These people (Disney) are not your friend. Look at the Anti-Catholic and Anti-Christian TV sitcoms they produce.

Y’all can do what you want with your money and time but I’m not ever buying a movie ticket to a Star Wars movie or any other Disney film for that matter, considering the Anti-Catholic and Anti-Christian TV garbage they produce.

I’m sorry but they are laughing at you all the way to the bank, gladly taking your money while producing Anti-Catholic and Anti-Christian TV sitcoms.

I jut want folks to know oh what garbage Disney is producing in addition to Star Wars.
 
Dwyer said:
I can’t stop anyone from seeing Star Wars #7.

I don’t agree with your opinion because a boycott did work with 'The Golden Compass" movie more recently and back in the 1930s Catholics en masse boycotted Tinseltown and caused great change in the movies and their content.

This Star Wars stuff is like drugs for a lot of people and it takes over their reason.

It’s only a stupid movie; Lucas and his advisor Mythologist Joseph Campbell ripped a lot of the plots and themes from ancient myths and legends, and packaged it all into two hour condensed format for the average movie goer out there.

These people (Disney) are not your friend. Look at the Anti-Catholic and Anti-Christian TV sitcoms they produce.

Y’all can do what you want with your money and time but I’m not ever buying a movie ticket to a Star Wars movie or any other Disney film for that matter, considering the Anti-Catholic and Anti-Christian TV garbage they produce.

I’m sorry but they are laughing at you all the way to the bank, gladly taking your money while producing Anti-Catholic and Anti-Christian TV sitcoms.

I jut want folks to know oh what garbage Disney is producing in addition to Star Wars.
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Ok, you can do that. I’m excited to see Chewy and Han again. 😉

The situation with Golden Compass isn’t equivalent though. That movie was anti-Catholic, but it did bad at the box office, so they quit making them. If Stat Wars fails, all that will do is ensure no more Star Wars movies are made. The branch of Disney that deals with the TV shows and networks - Disney Media Networks - is separate from Walt Disney Studios, which produces the movies. They are run by a completely different set of people, and for the most part don’t have much to do with each other. The money they get from the movies doesn’t go towards the TV shows. For that they rely on ratings and advertisement.

To be honest, I don’t think there’s an actual anti-Christian agenda on Disney’s part with the Real O’Neill’s anyways. Anti-Catholicism sells. They’re a business, they go where the money is. Which is why I said not watching the show is more practical and effective than boycotting Star Wars. We’re not going to put Disney out of business, but if the show tanks in the ratings, they’ll cancel it. Problem solved.
 
To add to what Robyn said …

The Southern Baptists ran a boycott of Disney for years over the “Gay Days” at their theme parks. Hardly made a dent, and the SBC eventually gave it up.

If that didn’t work, with the backing of one of the largest Protestant denominations, I hardly expect this proposed boycott of Star Wars over an unrelated TV show, in a separate division of the company, to work either.

If you really want to make an impact against The Real O’Neills – target the advertisers. That’s how network TV shows make their money, by selling advertising spots. Tell the advertisers you will stop buying their product unless they pull sponsorship of the show.
 
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