Star Wars Video Game to Allow Characters To Have Homosexual Romances

[gam197]

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riginally posted by mellow calico
I said in my post I thought the T rating was wrong and that it should be M (more so for the violence really… the “romances” are pretty “tame” and just a bunch of cheesy lines and a lot of “fading to black.” Pretty much what you see on network TV anymore–there is nothing graphic about the sex. TV daytime soap operas are more “graphic” in that respect than the game. There is graphic violence though).

originally posted by BlueEyedLady

Parents shouldn’t let their kids play MMOs anyway. Even if the actual game content is safe, none of the chat is.

And then…
Oh please. The game is very mild compared to most PG-13 movies. Really, if you have a problem don’t let your kids play it. In other words, be the parent.

originally posted by Maryjk
Now, language in a game isn’t a big deal for me. Blood and gore with violence would get a second look. Sexual Themes would take me to the store to talk to someone that plays the game. Or on line to read about why it got that rating.

Based on what has been said here, I wouldn’t worry about the sexual themes.

So language doesn’t seem to be a problem or sexual content and even the violence seems to be rated as PG13 so what should be my concern as a parent. According to the internet there are many good MMO games for children. And it is rated for age 13Teen. For most on these forums at least, even the homosexual choice is not a problem

There are over 513 reviews on Amazon

• Are you a big Star Wars fan? If yes, go ahead and get it. It’s a good Star Wars game.
• Are you new to the MMORPG genre? If yes, go ahead and get it. It’s a good MMORPG.
  EA has managed to take one of the greatest Sci-Fi universes and themes ever, and managed to make it boring.

Mostly technical stuff that takes Forever to read.

 

[gam197]

originally posted by Lost Wanderer
ve played a ton of T-rated games and they’ve had expressed world views that are far worse than espousing homosexuality.

Such as?

I did check with World of Warcraft and found that it is rated T in the USA, M in Australia and 11+ in Finland.

Blizzard garnered criticism for its decision in January 2006 to ban guilds from advertising sexual orientation preferences. The incident occurred after several players were cited for “harassment” after advocating a group that was a gay-straight alliance.[118][119] Blizzard later reversed the decision to issue warnings to players promoting LGBT-friendly guilds

.

I am again sure this had to do with pressure from the homosexual community.

 

[maryjk]

So language doesn’t seem to be a problem or sexual content and even the violence seems to be rated as PG13 so what should be my concern as a parent. According to the internet there are many good MMO games for children. And it is rated for age 13Teen. For most on these forums at least, even the homosexual choice is not a problem.

For MY child language isn’t a problem. I don’t know about your child. Violence, with blood and gore MAY be a problem, it depends on the level. I would have to look at it. And no, the option to have a homosexual relationship in a game would not be a problem for MY child. Keep in mind my child is 16, not a preteen, not 13.

See, I, as a parent, get to read about the rating and the content. Then as a parent, to my child, I get to determine what would be a problem.

I use the rating system as a guideline. Which is what all parents should do.

If you think there is a problem with the game, you can ban it from your house.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

Such as?

Final Fantasy X-2
FFVII: Dirge of Cerberus
Star Ocean: Till the End of Time
Tales of the Abyss
Atelier Iris 2: The Azoth of Destiny

Those are just my PS2 games by the way. If I posted my PSP ones, it’d take a whole hour. The fact though is that some of these games have espoused views that might strike shock and horror into the hearts of more conservative parents (anti-theism and anti-clericalism being major ones).

I am again sure this had to do with pressure from the homosexual community.

Uh, no. That’s like saying FFN allows homosexual content out of pressure from the homosexual community.

 

[Nicko]

Mostly technical stuff that takes Forever to read.

Which is why I previously recommended a YouTube review/walkthrough. See for yourself how gory the violence is, how explicit the sex and how mild the language is.

A “T” rating only means that the game may be suitable for a teenager. It doesn’t mean that it always is.

 

[gam197]

originally posted by Lost Wanderer
Final Fantasy X-2
FFVII: Dirge of Cerberus
Star Ocean: Till the End of Time
Tales of the Abyss
Atelier Iris 2: The Azoth of Destiny

Are these mostly Japanese games and if so that would explain the anti-clericalism maybe - more of a cultural thing then an intended slight.

originally posted** by Nicko**
Which is why I previously recommended a YouTube review/walkthrough. See for yourself how gory the violence is, how explicit the sex and how mild the language is

Good idea.

originally posted by Lost Wanderer
That’s like saying FFN allows homosexual content out of pressure from the homosexual community

Of course it does. The political homosexual community is the strongest community that I have ever seen. I live in the northeast and have seen this community write letter, make visits and threaten all kinds of things. You bet it has power.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

Are these mostly Japanese games and if so that would explain the anti-clericalism maybe - more of a cultural thing then an intended slight.

That’s besides the point. The fact remains is that their content is not something you as a parent might be comfortable with. However, those subjects aren’t exactly M-rated material are they?

Of course it does. The political homosexual community is the strongest community that I have ever seen. I live in the northeast and have seen this community write letter, make visits and threaten all kinds of things. You bet it has power.

Except that it doesn’t need to use it when a company is trying to make a game that grants players freedom of decision. FFN doesn’t kowtow to GLBT rights groups. Neither do game companies. They just make something that allow all sorts of possibilities.

It’s still up to those individuals to choose.

I’m no game designer but even I know why such a thing is a staple for such a concept.

 

[gam197]

originally posted by Lost Wanderer
Except that it doesn’t need to use it when a company is trying to make a game that grants players freedom of decision. FFN doesn’t kowtow to GLBT rights groups. Neither do game companies. They just make something that allow all sorts of possibilities.

It’s still up to those individuals to choose.

I’m no game designer but even I know why such a thing is a staple for such a concept.

They are trying to grant anyone freedom. They are trying to promote an agenda. FFN does kowtow to pressure from GLBT rights groups and everyone knows it that these GLBT group have power. As I said they write, they boycott, they visit.

This should not be in a child’s game and at 13, you are still a child - just more baloney for parents to deal with.

I guess we have to agree to disagree.

 

[Armyvet007]

I play SWTOR [or did, the new UI gives me a headache]. It’s not a game for kids [below 9th grade]. It’s designed for teens [which if my kids were old enough they still wouldn’t play] and older. If the fact they allow homosexual relationships is what determines if your kid can play it, you’re not doing your job as a parent. What should have you not letting your kids play is the definitely not Catholic morality system in it [light/dark side decisions] and the implied approval of immoral behavior [strippers, sleeping around, etc]. SWTOR /= Lego Star Wars. Don’t assume because Star Wars is in the name that it is “kid friendly.”

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

This should not be in a child’s game and at 13, you are still a child - just more baloney for parents to deal with.

Tell that to half of the 13-year-olds I’ve met.

They are trying to grant anyone freedom. They are trying to promote an agenda. FFN does kowtow to pressure from GLBT rights groups and everyone knows it that these GLBT group have power. As I said they write, they boycott, they visit.

Oh I see now. You have issues with granting people freedom. Thanks for clearing that up. Indeed, you can agree to disagree… so long as you’re comfortable that the Church is among those who would disagree with your decision/position.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

SWTOR /= Lego Star Wars. Don’t assume because Star Wars is in the name that it is “kid friendly.”

It’s high time parents really woke up to the fact that much of what they consider geeky or childish (e.g. video games, comic books, fantasy/sci-fi novels, toys even) in the old days cater to a much more mature fan base nowadays. Medium is no logical obstacle to what is being expressed with it.

 

[PrayerShark]

A question for the OP.

Would it bother you if your teenage child played through the game, revelling in the dark side as a Sith Lord?

 

[gam197]

originally posted by Amyvet007
What should have you not letting your kids play is the definitely not Catholic morality system in it [light/dark side decisions] and the implied approval of immoral behavior [strippers, sleeping around, etc]. SWTOR /= Lego Star Wars. Don’t assume because Star Wars is in the name that it is “kid friendly.”

That is exacly my problem. I saw Star Wars as simply a movie that was geared to children and teens kind of like Cinderella.

If I were to find out that they did a remake of Cinderella or Snow White and now they are portrayed as having same sex attraction or or a transexual it would bother me.

It is so difficult as a parent to find entertainment that you can enjoy and . At one time comic book characters were milder and they seem to have been hijacked.

Legos sold millions or maybe even billions of dollars of Stars Wars and I believe their target marketing group was the 7-15 year old so it is very popular.

Video games are very attractive also to the 8-15 year old and finding something that they can enjoy is very difficult.

 

[gam197]

originally posted** by Lost Wanderer
Oh I see now. You have issues with **granting people freedom. Thanks for clearing that up. Indeed, you can agree to disagree… so long as you’re comfortable that the Church is among those who would disagree with your decision/position.

There are many levels of thirteen year olds.

It has nothing to do with granting people freedom. That is a bogus point.

originally posted** by PrayerShark**

Would it bother you if your teenage child played through the game, revelling in the dark side as a Sith Lord?

The key word is reveliing -I would hope that he wouldn’t but it is a game, a repeat is suppost to be a game and I never have stopped him from owning Star Wars or have Sith Characters in Legos or reading the books.

 

[PrayerShark]

gam197:

I would hope that he wouldn’t but it is a game

And there is the answer to all your worries regarding the content of this particular Star Wars product.

I could safely say that of these two…

1. 
   *]A gay Jedi Master who upholds justice, order and defends the innocent of the galaxy.
   *]A straight Sith Lord who rapes, murders and wages war on the innocent of the galaxy.
   
   …the former would be a better role model for your son.

 

[Armyvet007]

That is exacly my problem. I saw Star Wars as simply a movie that was geared to children and teens kind of like Cinderella.

If I were to find out that they did a remake of Cinderella or Snow White and now they are portrayed as having same sex attraction or or a transexual it would bother me.

It is so difficult as a parent to find entertainment that you can enjoy and . At one time comic book characters were milder and they seem to have been hijacked.

Legos sold millions or maybe even billions of dollars of Stars Wars and I believe their target marketing group was the 7-15 year old so it is very popular.

Video games are very attractive also to the 8-15 year old and finding something that they can enjoy is very difficult.

Yep. My wife and I are going through that issue now with our 8 year old daughter in regards to literature.

 

[maryjk]

That is exacly my problem. I saw Star Wars as simply a movie that was geared to children and teens kind of like Cinderella.

Have you ever seen the Star Wars movies? These are not geared to children. I would not let a young child watch them. Anikin/Vader burns alive in the 3rd one. Leia is held captive, wearing VERY little in one of the older ones.

If I were to find out that they did a remake of Cinderella or Snow White and now they are portrayed as having same sex attraction or or a transexual it would bother me.

Cinderella and Snow White were made by Disney as cartoons. Star Wars never had the same audience, unless you go back to the original writings of Cinderella or Snow White.

It is so difficult as a parent to find entertainment that you can enjoy and . At one time comic book characters were milder and they seem to have been hijacked.

Legos sold millions or maybe even billions of dollars of Stars Wars and I believe their target marketing group was the 7-15 year old so it is very popular.

A good number of those Lego ships are in my son’s room. I don’t even want to think of how much money was spend on all of those little bricks.

But this isn’t Lego. This isn’t even a Lego game. And yes, they make those. Maybe that type of game would be good for your child.

Video games are very attractive also to the 8-15 year old and finding something that they can enjoy is very difficult.

It is always difficult to parent. Mainly because it is easy to say yes to everything and hard to say no.

For me, for my child, I don’t have a problem with a game giving a homosexual option. It would be different if in the game the only option was a homosexual option, but it isn’t like that. My son likes having a game that is a little more mature but isn’t an “M” game.

 

[Nicko]

If I were to find out that they did a remake of Cinderella or Snow White and now they are portrayed as having same sex attraction or or a transexual it would bother me.

Firstly, you have just proven that you do not surf the 'net for porn.

Seriously though, such a remake would be legally required to bear warnings as to the content. Reviews of the remake - you do read reviews of films before you let your kids see it, right? - would hardly fail to mention that the story had been so substantially altered.

 

[Kit15]

It’s high time parents really woke up to the fact that much of what they consider geeky or childish (e.g. video games, comic books, fantasy/sci-fi novels, toys even) in the old days cater to a much more mature fan base nowadays. Medium is no logical obstacle to what is being expressed with it.

Indeed. All that entertainment was once considered childish for a reason…children partook of them. But now those children have grown up and the industry grew up with them.

Star Ocean: Till the End of Time

When I worked in a video game store we often joked that “'til the end of time” was actually a comment on how long it takes to finish the game rather than a title.

 

[mellowcalico]

That is exacly my problem. I saw Star Wars as simply a movie that was geared to children and teens kind of like Cinderella.

Yeah, you can’t assume that because it’s Star Wars that it’s for kids. It’s understandable because back when Star Wars came out, there were toys and kids loved the movies. But those kids from the 1970s grew up (as another poster said) and the entertainment industry grew up with them. So there is still Star Wars for kids (the Legos you mentioned or the TV cartoon The Clone Wars), but there is also “grown up” Star Wars (which includes novels, the SWTOR game, etc.)

I guess you can kind of look at it this way. Instead of the “Star Wars” theme, replace it with “War” theme. There are kids toys geared towards war like toy soldiers and Stratego and combat air simulators (maybe not geared towards kis, but are kid-safe). But there is also “War” themed stuff geared towards adults (like some first person shooter video games, movies like Full Metal Jacket, etc.).

What’s probably throwing you off is that “Star Wars” falls under one “theme” so to speak. You really have to do your due diligence as a parent and look into everything. You just can’t assume stuff is “kid safe” because it used to be kid safe 30 years ago.

For what it’s worth, in the original Cinderella (not the Disney one) the step sisters cut off their feet and toes and their blood soaked foot prints are what tells the prince he’s got the wrong girl. Never EVER buy a copy of the original Grim’s fairytales for a kid. Those stories are full of very adult themes and violence too. Disney just made a kiddie version of them which caught on in popular culture.

Going back to SWTOR, I really don’t think the same sex relationships are the result of a homosexual agenda. They originally released the game without them and are now adding them on after an outcry from players. If you read the forums, while a few homosexual players are asking for same-sex relationships, the main outcry is from heterosexual males who like to play female characters but also want to have romances (but can’t stomach a romance with a male character). So basically, the main advocates of the same sex relationships on the forums seems to be heterosexual men who want to roleplay lesbian romance in a video game.

As to why some guys play female characters, that’s a whole different topic. There seem to be a variety of reasons for males wanting to play female characters, but the main reason seems to be they like to look at females (and therefore want to look at a female character in game).