Starbucks and Joni Mitchell's anti-Catholic song

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From the article:

She’s cynical and doesn’t mind expressing it.

GOODNESS. How original and daring - cynicism!! OOH! How constructive! :nope:
 
Jordan_Francis said:
Funny,

But at the same, is any criticism of the Church irrelevant and worth boycotting? Shouldn’t we be concerned how we might be coming off to others?

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“Shine on the Catholic Church/And the prisons that it owns,” she sings. “Shine on all the Churches/that love less and less.”
“Shine on lousy leadership/Licensed to kill/Shine on dying soldiers/In patriotic pain/Shine on mass destruction/In some God’s name!”
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Do you call that criticism? To me, it’s the irrational and baseless attacks of a burned out hippie. Prisons??? What prisons does the Church own?
 
Wolseley said:
The last cup of Starbuck’s coffee I had was over 12 years ago. I still don’t know why I drank it—I was just sleepy again after three or four weeks.

I will say this much, though----I went around to all the Starbuck’s outlets in a 40-mile radius once and collected all their old coffee at the end of the day…put it in the crankcase of my old '92 Chevy Suburban, and man, did it run fine! I got probably 100,000 miles out of that sludge before I had to change it.

Best 30-weight oil I ever ran.
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I used 3 Venti Americanas on my dining room table to strip off the top layer of paint. Worked great.
 
silentdeb said:
From the article:

She’s cynical and doesn’t mind expressing it.

GOODNESS. How original and daring - cynicism!! OOH! How constructive! :nope:
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Not to mention the fact that someone who is railing against the supposed “popular culture” is marketing her CD through Starbucks!
 
I used to listen to Joni Mitchell, I still do, but I won’t anymore.
 
silentdeb said:
From the article:

She’s cynical and doesn’t mind expressing it.

GOODNESS. How original and daring - cynicism!! OOH! How constructive! :nope:
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Cynicism is the low road and sadly it sells. Just like the comedians of today that rely on profanity to be funny. They are nothing compared to Abbott & Costello or more recently Bill Cosby.

Joni Mitchell had something to say in the '60’s and I think everyone here would appreciate that she gave up a child for adoption rather than choosing abortion.

As a former Catholic, I’m not offended by her words, but I have no respect for them as they are used just for shock value. She might as well swear with the comedians.

Nohome
 
vester444 said:
foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297798,00.html
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That is one strange article. The headline says “Joni Mitchell Attacks Catholic Church” which sets up negative expectations. But the sole criticism of the Church takes only one sentence: “Shine on the Catholic Church/And the prisons that it owns.”

The rest of the article is pro-Joni Mitchell. For example:
Mitchell, the original singer-songwriter, presents herself in stark contrast to the dodo-brained warblers of this generation. .
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Mitchell plays nearly all the instruments on the album herself, and does all the singing. And while the lyrics are harsh indictments of modern culture, Mitchell serves them up with grace and style. Her jazz renderings and melodies are gorgeous, and she even manages to weave in hooks and choruses as she delivers the bad news.
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Mitchell joins Paul McCartney as the second Starbucks/Hear Music artist. How ironic: both albums will be getting plenty of Grammy nominations. They are each far superior to 99 percent of what’s come out of the major record companies this year.
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She’s back, and not a moment too soon.
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Here in Memphis we have a local company that offers what Starbucks offers. They only have 2 locations. I go a bit out of my way to use only them.
 
sandraladeda,
You can go to the Starbucks website and submit your comments. See link…

starbucks.com/customer/co…rms.asp?nav=3h
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I submitted my displeasure with Starbucks at the above link and received the following response:
Thank you for contacting Starbucks Coffee Company.

At Starbucks, we are proud to offer customers a diverse range of music for their enjoyment. Music has always been a part of the coffeehouse culture and is an essential part of the Starbucks heritage and in-store experience.

We understand that our customers have diverse tastes and perspectives. In selecting music, we strive to represent the work of a variety of talented artists who reflect many creative viewpoints. Starbucks is an avid supporter of free speech and the creative process. When considering new projects, our primary goal is always to help our customers discover and acquire quality music.

We value (name removed by moderator)ut from our customers and respect their opinions. Starbucks and Hear Music believe our music selections continue our commitment to offering customers a variety of music from a vast array of genres.

Thanks again for contacting Starbucks.

Sincerely,

Minh L.
Starbucks Coffee Company
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They don’t seem too concerned that they have insulted Catholics. At least they know that some folks are not happy with what they are stocking on the shelves. Thanks for the link.

Judeluke
 
Judeluke said:
They don’t seem too concerned that they have insulted Catholics. At least they know that some folks are not happy with what they are stocking on the shelves. Thanks for the link.
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Why not email all the Catholics in our address books and ask them to do the same requesting that they boycott Starbucks?
 
This line in Friedman’s article cracked me up:
Mitchell’s album will be something of a revelation to young people who might buy it at Starbucks when it’s released Tuesday if they listen to it and read the lyrics.
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Young people…buying a Joni Mitchell album… :rotfl:

Regarding Starbucks - I generally don’t do boycotts. If a company is virulently anti-Catholic (as opposed to just liberal and offering music by an aging hippie artist I would never buy anyway), then I would avoid them. I wouldn’t classify Starbucks as virulently anti-Catholic.

Now, instead of boycotts, I will support Catholic businesses. So, for example, if buying an espresso downtown, I go to the shop owned by a fellow parishioner.
 
Never cared much for Mitchell and don’t like Starbucks, I prefer my coffee unburnt and drinkable rather than needing to chew it.
 
I e-mail Starbucks and this is my reply:
Dear Kathleen Elsie,
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Thank you for contacting Starbucks Coffee Company.

At Starbucks, we are proud to offer customers a diverse range of music for their enjoyment. Music has always been a part of the coffeehouse culture and is an essential part of the Starbucks heritage and in-store experience.

We understand that our customers have diverse tastes and perspectives. In selecting music, we strive to represent the work of a variety of talented artists who reflect many creative viewpoints. Starbucks is an avid supporter of free speech and the creative process. When considering new projects, our primary goal is always to help our customers discover and acquire quality music.

We value (name removed by moderator)ut from our customers and respect their opinions. Starbucks and Hear Music believe our music selections continue our commitment to offering customers a variety of music from a vast array of genres.

Thanks again for contacting Starbucks.

Sincerely,

Minh L.
Starbucks Coffee Company

:eek: diverse, variety and perspectives. Wonder what would have happened if it were Islam that was sung about?
 
Judeluke said:
sandraladeda,

I submitted my displeasure with Starbucks at the above link and received the following response:

They don’t seem too concerned that they have insulted Catholics. At least they know that some folks are not happy with what they are stocking on the shelves. Thanks for the link.

Judeluke
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That is the same canned response that they sent me. Hummmm I guess they have tooooo many complaints to change the words.🤷
 
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