Starbucks/pro-choice

[hotdiggity]

That seems to be false, from a site that claims to be Christian:

christianpost.com/news/did-starbucks-ceo-really-say-we-dont-want-your-business-92588/

i would disagree…

i would simply point out that the CEO was addressed by a shareholder regarding the company’s embrace of immoral activities and how that stand can be bad for business…the CEO’s response was to sell you shares of the company and invest elsewhere if you don’t like what we’re doing…

sure sounds to me like the company is not at all interested in me as a customer or shareholder if i don’t agree with their anti-Christ business practices…

 

[edwest2]

Why do we still call abortion ‘choice?’ Why adopt the term of a side that declares killing babies is their right?

Starbucks has announced that ‘Christians can take their money elsewhere.’ I am happy to oblige.

It’s not we, it’s the other side. The goal is to use pleasant sounding words to confuse people. I mean, everyone has the right to make a choice, right? Only, in this case, the result is the death of a human being.

So, what sounds better?

Pro-Abortion or Pro-Choice? See, just drop the word abortion and focus on the word choice.

Peace,
Ed

 

[Gordon_Sims]

I tried going elsewhere for a while. Although other shops have much better, unburnt coffee, they can’t beat Starbucks’ other drinks, and the best of the other stores are even more expensive. On top of that, despite some of the decisions made on a corporate level, some of the stores around here are staffed by very good people, participate in the community and actively/openly support the military. I don’t drink Starbucks too often, but I try not to lose any sleep when I do.

 

[Elizium23]

It makes me very sad, but my small circle of friends who like to play cards prefer to go to the Starbucks downtown, because it is centrally located and has appropriate tables for us to spread out and play our game. I tried steering them to other venues, but the alternatives just didn’t hold up over time. So I grit my teeth and go there, once or twice a week. I’d really rather be somewhere else. Downtown used to have a nice independent local coffee house, but alas it is no more. Starbucks is the only game in town.

 

[holyrood]

It’s true that a great many corporations are funding and promoting abortion and homosexuality. But the fact that I can’t avoid every single one doesn’t mean I’m going to knowingly give them my money. No, I don’t drink at Starbucks, I almost never go into Target, I’ve quit going to McDonald’s.

I use Goodsearch.com as my search engine so something is going to a pro life group instead of to Google.

I plan on switching my cell phone service to Sienna, which funds pro-life groups.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

It’s not we, it’s the other side. The goal is to use pleasant sounding words to confuse people. I mean, everyone has the right to make a choice, right? Only, in this case, the result is the death of a human being.

So, what sounds better?

Pro-Abortion or Pro-Choice? See, just drop the word abortion and focus on the word choice.

Peace,
Ed

Which would be fine, except that Catholics on this forum use the term pro-choice to describe someone who wants the right to kill the unborn on demand.

 

[Lux_de_Avicula]

I had no idea that Starbucks were so harsh. I’d only just heard of that CEO thing. It’s not even available where I live. I would have not thought that buying coffee was sinful though…
I think that yes, we are actually probably contributing to their pay especially if you tip… which you should…
Anyway, there are many more organisations which support that kind of thing and it is largely inescapable. I would say that if you buy coffee from Starbucks, you are not supporting it per se, but more enjoying a nice Hot Cup of Joe. :coffeeread:

All in all, the priest has a decent opinion from what I’ve heard. This kind of thing is basically inescapable too.

 

[Peebo]

Many countries overseas have a café culture where you can sit and enjoy a sandwich or pastry with a decent personally brewed coffee at the many small privately owned cafés or coffee shops…Starbucks is seen as over priced…over rated and over brewed…most coffee shops here in the US are big chain outlets where you get the same company brew nationwide and with limited competition…so you either drink what is offered or go without… Starbucks are “pro choice” when it comes to abortion but not “pro choice” when it comes to how you want your coffee…two good reasons not to drink there .

 

[davetv]

I think we can too easily rationalize reasons to stick with contributing our dollars to organization like Starbucks although given a hot topic like a workers strike all of a sudden we will decide, temporary at least, to boycott. It could be God is calling you, as an individual, to sacrifice your choice of coffee brand, and it could be sinful to ignore Him. I would suggest you give it up for a month and then rethink whether you can lift your ban. Better yet fast from using Starbucks for a month as a prayer that they will end contributing to the culture of death.

 

[ArmorofLight]

I won’t drink Starbucks, for numerous reasons…abortion is a huge issue, but they are also actively funding and promoting many other anti-Christian elements of society. As Edmund Burke stated, “The only thing necessary for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.” No, we can’t cover all of the bases, but when you’re feeling conflict in your spirit over something, why not just avoid it entirely? Also, here is a GREAT option for an “online” coffee shop, that was actually put together to help people avoid Starbucks because of their pro-abortion stance: churchandstatecoffee.com/
I’ve been boycotting them for years, now, though I admit I have had a cup or two since that time when I’ve been out of town on a trip. However, instead of actively supporting them, why not find an alternative that is making an effort to support the pro-life cause, and put your money in a place that has the best possible return…one that helps birth life!

“Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”
― Dietrich Bonhoeffer

 

[Cojuanco]

Hello! So my youth leader once told me that we should not drink starbucks because they fund planned parenthood. So I didn’t drink it for a while but then I did and I felt bad thinking
“my money may help kill a baby…”. So I asked my Priest if it was a sin and he said that if it were, he’d be sinning too because he drinks it, but that no, he does not think it is a sin. He said that there are so many other things that fund planned parenthood that we just can’t avoid. And that we are also helping pay those workers paychecks which is good. But I still don’t know…What do you all think?

It’s not a sin if we merely buy from someone who commits horrific sins, unless the intent of buying at a merchant were to endorse his sins. After all, many merchants commit other equally heinous sins, but are merely more discreet about the whole thing. We of course, are not obligated to buy from any merchant, and it may be laudable to refrain from buying from particular merchants, but no, one commits no sin in doing so.

 

[jaimeleglise]

I too struggle with this. Not with coffee because I don’t like it. There is a pro-life boycott list called Life Decisions International. They publish a list of major corporations which support Planned Parenthood and other abortion rights causes.
They also ask that you write letters to these companies.

Some of the ones that stand out the most are EBay, PayPal and Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer Fund.

My husband and I avoid everything on the list. PayPal is hard to avoid but we do it.

LDI has been successful at getting some corporations to stop this practice.

I have found priests who tell me to not buy those products.

I wish our taxes did not pay for abortions. I
suspect it will get much worse under Obamacare.

 

[Cojuanco]

Just a reminder to everybody: You are not bound on pain of sin to avoid buying legitimate products from people who do sinful things on the side. It might be laudable, but it is not required.

 

[rkwittem]

I don’t buy from Starbucks for 2 reasons- their stance on lgbt nonsense and subsequent message to those who disagree to take their business elsewhere (fine with me, I don’t know the difference between good and bad coffee anyway) and their CEO’s mismanagement of the Seattle Supersonics, which ultimately led to them leaving in the mid-2000’s for Oklahoma. (I was a fan, once upon a time). Way I saw it, a guy that immoral and incompentent doesn’t deserve my business. Homemade is cheaper anyway.

 

[John_of_Woking]

It’s not sinful to drink at Starbucks BUT I would say it as an opportunity to make sacrifice and mortification by taking your custom elsewhere. I have stopped drinking there as a rule due to their immoral stance on marriage. The CEO is basically laughing at and mocking Christians. No thank you - you are not getting my buck

 

[SurlyMermaid]

Hubby and I are pro-life. We are fortunate to have a local coffee shop whose owners generously donate to and support our pregnancy center, churches, and our soup kitchen.

We tend to eat at Chik-Fil-A and other chains that support charities congruent with our values. It’s very important to us. If we hear a company supports abortion, we try not to give them our money.

 

[hsmomforlife]

It’s not always about boycotting and being negative, but searching out the businesses that are positive and aligned with pro-life messages and making sure that we promote that we patronize and support these businesses because of their pro-life/profamily stance!

 

[Veritasologist]

I have to disagree with the majority opinion here. If we take as a fact that over 1 million human beings, who have the same moral status as you and me, are killed every year then it seems clear that we should avoid at all costs buying from such an organization that supports such an action. Imagine if you knew that Starbucks used some of their money to help fund the extermination of 1 million adults in the US every year? Would this change whether or not you shopped there?

I think there are two important points though. First is that you are only responsible now that you know what your money is being used for. Second I would like to see some proof that Starbucks is actually doing this because I really doubt that a company would take such a polarizing political action that they know would result in bad press. Starbucks is smarter than that regardless of their values.

Also as a note on semantics, I think that it is perfectly reasonable for the left to call themselves pro-choice and for right to call themselves pro-life. Both terms are what both groups believe themselves to be fighting for regardless of whether or not one of those groups is wrong/right.

 

[Megan7]

I stopped drinking there 10 years ago (long before I became a Catholic) because of this…

indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/ictarchives/2003/06/11/canadian-caf-bucks-corporate-lawsuit-88882

I thoroughly objected to them stomping on little guys who were just trying to make a living in very hard part of the world.

For pity’s sake, the Haida Indians concerned were not even using the Starbucks name - they just had the word Buck in their title (Haida Bucks) and happened to sell coffee for only 8 months of the year (the rest of year they are snowed in!!) and the nearest Starbucks was 10 hour drive or 2 hour flights away!

Nasty corporation.

Thanks for the link.

 

[lutheran_farmer]

Anyone know where Dunkin Donuts stands? They are a local alternative to Starbucks for many people.