State agency backs bakery that refused to decorate cakes with message critical of homosexuality [CWN]
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Let’s hope the judge rules in a similar manner for the ‘reverse’ cake case, in NI.
belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/judgement-reserved-in-ashers-gay-cake-case-31100867.html
*The Equality Commission for Northern Ireland brought the landmark case against Ashers Bakery on behalf of a gay rights activist whose order was refused.
The family-run bakery, which delivers across the UK and Ireland, turned down the request for a cake with an image of Sesame Street puppets Bert and Ernie below the motto Support Gay Marriage.
It had been ordered for a private function marking International Day Against Homophobia last May.
belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/judgement-reserved-in-ashers-gay-cake-case-31100867.html
*The Equality Commission for Northern Ireland brought the landmark case against Ashers Bakery on behalf of a gay rights activist whose order was refused.
The family-run bakery, which delivers across the UK and Ireland, turned down the request for a cake with an image of Sesame Street puppets Bert and Ernie below the motto Support Gay Marriage.
It had been ordered for a private function marking International Day Against Homophobia last May.
This is the right decision, IMO. But the right to conscience must go both ways. If this same baker, when asked to decorate a cake in favor of same gender “marriage”, refuses to do so because he is opposed to it, or simply doesn’t want to participate in that debate, the same ruling should apply.
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unstoppable_II
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Then what did it use as a basis for refusing?
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sallybutler
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From the articleThen what did it use as a basis for refusing?
"Marjorie Silva, the bakery’s owner, declined Jack’s order but offered to bake the cakes and provide icing so that Jack could write the messages on the cake. Jack contacted the Colorado Civil Rights Division, stating that he was discriminated against because he was a Christian.
The state agency backed Silva and found that she denied the request because of its “derogatory language and imagery,” and not because of anti-Christian discrimination."
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estesbob
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And the derogatory images and language were ?
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unstoppable_II
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The state agency discriminates between those who use “derogatory language and imagery” and those who do not. So if “discrimination” was not the basis for backing Silva, what was?
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sallybutler
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Just saying what the article said.
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estesbob
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So you are comfortable with a state agency deciding what constitutes derogatory and offensive speech?
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sallybutler
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I am comfortable with people reading the article. Someone asked what was the reason for declining the job, which, by the way, the woman only declined to do some of the decorations, she didn’t decline to bake the cakes. I just quoted what was in the article.
I was not trying to make a judgement or voice an opinion. Sometimes people’s browsers do not allow them to see the article in question.
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qui_est_ce
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That’s my question too.
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sallybutler
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Not overly. However, that is what the FCC does (certain words are not allowed on broadcast television,can’t advertise cigarettes, etc), the FAA (be careful what you say on airplanes), can’t yell fire in a crowded area, school boards that edit text books (on both sides of the political spectrum) and tell teachers what they can and can not teach.
If you are willing to get rid of all those rules, I’ll join you.
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qui_est_ce
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Does not meet the compelling interest test, in my opinion.
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sallybutler
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And therein lies the rub. Who decides compelling interest? Especially when two people disagree?
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Tomyris
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What if a baker refused to bake a cake for your wedding because you were Catholic?
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EmperorNapoleon
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We’d never hear the end of it.
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Tomyris
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Or they could turn the other cheek and find another baker, instead of making a court case out of it and persecuting those who disagree with them…You think they didn’t seek out a certain baker for a reason?
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Tomyris
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And I do think people should not be forced to serve those they have scruples against. The problem is where this has led.
“Dogs and sailors keep off the grass”
“Whites Only”
“No Irish Served”
“Dogs and sailors keep off the grass”
“Whites Only”
“No Irish Served”
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SWolf
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And the laws have not solved the animosity, but just made it more subtle.
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ishii
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What if an muslim owned bakery refused to bake a cake for a gay wedding? Oh wait, that has happened, but there has been no outcry from the left/gays. This isn’t about protecting people from “discrimination” but more about harassing Christians for standing up for their beliefs.
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