State reverses abortion decision at 2 Catholic colleges

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freeRadical said:
Then those people are free to find jobs elsewhere. No one is forcing them to work for these colleges.
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Yes, but it is a double-edged sword.

You have to look at the colleges’ point of view also. The reason employers provide such benefits is to attract and retain quality employees. These days, nearly every large employer offers health insurance. If the colleges were to discontinue offering insurance, then sure, the workers are free to work elsewhere.

The trouble is, they probably would. En masse.

So the colleges would have to close their doors and go out of business because no one would work for them.
 
Lost_Sheep said:
Yes, but it is a double-edged sword.

You have to look at the colleges’ point of view also. The reason employers provide such benefits is to attract and retain quality employees. These days, nearly every large employer offers health insurance. If the colleges were to discontinue offering insurance, then sure, the workers are free to work elsewhere.

The trouble is, they probably would. En masse.

So the colleges would have to close their doors and go out of business because no one would work for them.
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Perhaps, but do you want people who are only there because of the benefits, or do you want those that support the mission of the college? In other words would you rather have a top physics professor who is an atheist or a middling prof who teaches from a love of Catholicism and sharing that knowledge and Catholic world view with their students?
 
Usige said:
Perhaps, but do you want people who are only there because of the benefits, or do you want those that support the mission of the college? In other words would you rather have a top physics professor who is an atheist or a middling prof who teaches from a love of Catholicism and sharing that knowledge and Catholic world view with their students?
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If I’m going to a college I’m there to get an education and get the best education for my money. Whether they are there for the benefits or to support the mission of the college is irrelevant; at least to me.

And I doubt an atheist would work for a Catholic college no matter what his credentials, but that is beside the point.

But even devoted “middling” professors have a need for health insurance and if they can’t it there they will they will go elsewhere.

If it easy to pontificate on what others should do or believe when you are not personally affected.
 
Lost_Sheep said:
And I doubt an atheist would work for a Catholic college no matter what his credentials, but that is beside the point.
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You’re most likely wildly wrong.

*Urged by abortion-rights groups and **university employees *to reconsider the issue, Brown’s Department of Managed Health Care

In fact, I’d be surprised if there is not a large contingent of atheist employees at the colleges. The secularists/leftists have done a great job of infiltrating organizations to rot them from the inside.
 
Dave_Noonan said:
This is the part I don’t get about the Catholic church’s position on the HHS mandate.

In this example, two Catholic colleges have been paying for insurance for contraception and abortions under California Law since the 1970s. These institutions apparently had no moral qualms about doing this whatsoever. The same goes for organizations like Catholic Charities: cal-catholic.com/?p=626.

Millions of Catholics continue to pay into insurance plans at work that cover contraception and abortion. Not a peep. Never has been a problem. Still isn’t a problem. No Catholic that I know of has chosen to opt out of their health coverage at work or quit their job as a result.

But now that the issue has been politicized, suddenly these colleges want out and everyone’s up in arms and claiming the moral high ground. When the California Law (which was used as a model along with the Connecticut law for the HHS mandate) went into effect (again back in the 1970s), it wasn’t opposed by the Catholic Church, nor was it even resisted by the Catholic Church for these many decades. No one cared.

How can the Catholic Bishops expect anyone to take them seriously as some sort of moral voice, when what they pay for behind the scenes is the opposite of what they oppose in public. (I guess to score some political points?)

I really do want to know.
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You have pointed out a glaring hypocrisy and egregious mistake/sin on the part of many in the Church about this issue. Many organizations/people have either willfully ignored this issue, or have tacitly/explicitly given their approval of these evil things in their insurance plans. Now that it has been brought to the forefront, and the disinfectant of sunshine has hit, they are having to abide by Church teaching.

Sadly, there are many in the Church who wish to change or ignore Church teaching on these issues, and have willfully gone along with these evils. Some of these people even work for the Church in various offices and diocese.

Even so, their hypocrisy is not relevant to the issue. The freedom of religion does not require perfect adherence to your faith for your entire history to exercise it. Although you are right, it does weaken their moral authority and causes many to ignore them.
 
VeritasLuxMea said:
Who would want to work for a place with no medical benefits when there are still businesses out there that care about their employee’s health? Seriously.
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If they don’t want to work for a place that doesn’t have medical benefits they can find another job. In the meantime they could contact the Governor and ask why he thinks paying for abortion is more important than health care coverage for them
 
Dave_Noonan said:
This is the part I don’t get about the Catholic church’s position on the HHS mandate.

In this example, two Catholic colleges have been paying for insurance for contraception and abortions under California Law since the 1970s. These institutions apparently had no moral qualms about doing this whatsoever. The same goes for organizations like Catholic Charities: cal-catholic.com/?p=626.

Millions of Catholics continue to pay into insurance plans at work that cover contraception and abortion. Not a peep. Never has been a problem. Still isn’t a problem. No Catholic that I know of has chosen to opt out of their health coverage at work or quit their job as a result.

But now that the issue has been politicized, suddenly these colleges want out and everyone’s up in arms and claiming the moral high ground. When the California Law (which was used as a model along with the Connecticut law for the HHS mandate) went into effect (again back in the 1970s), it wasn’t opposed by the Catholic Church, nor was it even resisted by the Catholic Church for these many decades. No one cared.

How can the Catholic Bishops expect anyone to take them seriously as some sort of moral voice, when what they pay for behind the scenes is the opposite of what they oppose in public. (I guess to score some political points?)

I really do want to know.
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I never covered contraception for my employees in my 32 years in business. I know numerous catholic businessmen who did the same. There was not a peep before because it was not FORCED on people before.
 
estesbob said:
I never covered contraception for my employees in my 32 years in business. I know numerous catholic businessmen who did the same. There was not a peep before because it was not FORCED on people before.
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Did you have people refuse to accept a job offer from you because of your “crazy” ideas of not paying for elective and voluntary “health care”? To me, it’s in the category (without the sin aspect of course) of cosmetic surgery. Totally elective and if my employer covers my face lift (who does???), that’s a bonus.

I’ve worked for 28 years as a Catholic teacher and I’ve never had birth control covered. I survived!!! I had non-Catholic friends who work here and they understood and paid for it themselves.

Kris
 
kwitz said:
Did you have people refuse to accept a job offer from you because of your “crazy” ideas of not paying for elective and voluntary “health care”? To me, it’s in the category (without the sin aspect of course) of cosmetic surgery. Totally elective and if my employer covers my face lift (who does???), that’s a bonus.

I’ve worked for 28 years as a Catholic teacher and I’ve never had birth control covered. I survived!!! I had non-Catholic friends who work here and they understood and paid for it themselves.

Kris
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It was never an issue
 
Lost_Sheep said:
Yes, but it is a double-edged sword.

You have to look at the colleges’ point of view also. The reason employers provide such benefits is to attract and retain quality employees. These days, nearly every large employer offers health insurance. If the colleges were to discontinue offering insurance, then sure, the workers are free to work elsewhere.

The trouble is, they probably would. En masse.

So the colleges would have to close their doors and go out of business because no one would work for them.
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Or they could simply increase their employee’s pay by the amount that the health insurance they were providing is worth.

There are numerous ways to attract workers besides benefits. There are all kinds of companies that don’t offer health insurance and they seem to have no shortage of workers.
 
Usige said:
Perhaps, but do you want people who are only there because of the benefits, or do you want those that support the mission of the college? In other words would you rather have a top physics professor who is an atheist or a middling prof who teaches from a love of Catholicism and sharing that knowledge and Catholic world view with their students?
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Obviously, you want people that the support the mission of the college. But the people that support the mission of the college might not be willing to die for that mission.
 
VeritasLuxMea said:
Obviously, you want people that the support the mission of the college. But the people that support the mission of the college might not be willing to die for that mission.
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So not paying for an employee’s contraception or abortion puts their life in danger!!? Another example of how deeply the culture of death is ingrained in our society
 
freeRadical said:
Or they could simply increase their employee’s pay by the amount that the health insurance they were providing is worth.
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Which would cost the college more. Giving employees a raise to cover the cost of privately purchased insurance would be lot more than what the college would have to pay for one individual in a group plan.
There are numerous ways to attract workers besides benefits. There are all kinds of companies that don’t offer health insurance and they seem to have no shortage of workers.
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Who are usually low level unskilled minimum wage types who are desperate for a paycheck.
 
Lost_Sheep said:
Which would cost the college more. Giving employees a raise to cover the cost of privately purchased insurance would be lot more than what the college would have to pay for one individual in a group plan.

Who are usually low level unskilled minimum wage types who are desperate for a paycheck.
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The colleges want to provide insurance. It is a state government that is making it difficult for them to do so. Evidently the state believes it is more important that insurance coverage be provided for abortion than it is to provide health insurance for all employees
 
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