Statement of Santa Cruz Media, Inc. Relative to Fr. Corapi’s Suspension

[NewEnglandPriest]

So the priest at my parish becuase he is not Jesuit, Franciscan, Dominican, Carmelite, Benedictine (and so on), is a secular priest?

Correct.

And when people refer to priests taking “a vow” of celibacy, they may not be entirely accurate?

Secular priests make a promise of celibacy. The whole vow v. promise issue isn’t really that important.

 

[KimberlyAnn0218]

Correct.

Secular priests make a promise of celibacy. The whole vow v. promise issue isn’t really that important.

OK. I guess for me adding the word “Secular” in front of “Priest” kind of threw me for a loop. In everyday conversation “secular” seems to be used when something is not quite spiritual enough ( or spiritual at all such as in the case of “secular music”). I guess I thought I knew how a man became a priest but I guess I only have a very superficial knowledge.
Hmm…something to read about when I have time
Kim

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

Please forgive me obvious ignorance. I am not a cradle Catholic and have much to learn. I guess I am thrown by the “secular” word. Throw that in front of something and it changes the meaning… would you be ameanable to me sending you a couple clarifying questions to your member inbox to get this out of this forum?

You can send me any questions you may have.

OK. I guess for me adding the word “Secular” in front of “Priest” kind of threw me for a loop. In everyday conversation “secular” seems to be used when something is not quite spiritual enough ( or spiritual at all such as in the case of “secular music”). I guess I thought I knew how a man became a priest but I guess I only have a very superficial knowledge.
Hmm…something to read about when I have time
Kim

This is a problem many people have, they do not understand that words have many definitions depending on the group using the word. The word Secular in this usage does not mean anything bad, it is just a way of classifying a priest to denote that he is not a religious.

 

[NewEnglandPriest]

OK. I guess for me adding the word “Secular” in front of “Priest” kind of threw me for a loop. In everyday conversation “secular” seems to be used when something is not quite spiritual enough ( or spiritual at all such as in the case of “secular music”).

If I had to throw out a complete random guess as to the origin of the term “secular priest” as opposed to “religious priest” I would guess it has to do with the fact that religious priests tend to live in some form of religious community whereas diocesan priests live in the “secular” world of their parishes.

 

[laszlo]

You think so? Then by all means, don’t feel obligated to stay.

Of any country in the world Father has the best chance of getting this straight and getting his life and his priesthood back HERE. This country has its issues, but being “rotten” is not one of them.

~Liza

Read please the John Jay report

usccb.org/nrb/johnjaystudy/

In the year 2002 only almost 10,000 priests were accused, only 1000 cases were reported to the police. We had to suppose that from the 9000 some were innocent. Can you list the success cases for the innocent accused ones?

Just like under the communist system here too the accuser has the full legal advantage: anonymity, lack of any responsibility.

 

[pnewton]

Read please the John Jay report

You might want to read if first. You are waaaayyyyy off base about what it says. Besides, what in the world does that have to do with this topic.

In the year 2002 only almost 10,000 priests were accused, only 1000 cases were reported to the police.
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This is what I was talking about. This is not true. 2002 was when the report came out. The figures were for a period over half a century.

 

[debraran]

EWTN’s The World Over said tonight there were accusations of multiple relationships with women and that a woman was the accuser…I thought it was a man for some reason.

He also said the twitter messages about Mother Angelica were wrong and that she is doing fine and was eating ice cream when he \called yesterday. It was nice to see her out of bed when the “desert nuns” came to visit recently and meeting with them in her chair. (I am on their blog)
Good news among some that isn’t. She might be quieter but she is still powerful.

 

[Shoshana]

The bottom line that we are living in a rotten country.

The accusers have no responsibility at all.

We do not know who is accusing him, we do not know what is exactly the accusation,

but we know that his natural allies, the diocese where he is incardinated and the order where he belongs abandoned him due to fear that they will be responsible.

In the seventies frustrated children started to accuse their parents based on repressed memories of sexual abuse. When the accusation reached the mowners of the media, they suddenly stopped, bur revived (started with the Bernardin cases) in the nineties, and in the use topped in 2002, in Europe in 2010.

The common characteristics are irrational: beyond the statue of limitation and thus the proper investigation, and making the dioceses and thus the catholic community responsible for mostly unproven, he says-he says allegations.

It is the terror of the Accuser, which is now through this case extending his power.

In the medieval eves the Satan was also called accuser, and now we see that appropriately.

The other bottom line is that God loves father Corapy. Either he is responsible for something or not, he is suffering, and this may help his journey toward God. Let us pray for him, and because we are Christian let us pray for his accuser(s) too.

**‎"An open letter to the Catholic media:

In the 22 days since the release of the July 5, 2011 letter from Fr Gerrard Sheehan of SOLT -the Catholic media, including hundreds of internet news and bloggers, television and radio, have reported the various accusations against Father John Corapi as irrefutably true. Without a trial or the presentation of evidence, these Catholic media sources have pronounced guilt upon Father Corapi, without even the faitntest presumption of innocense. Neither have these media sources once questioned the motives or the validity of the accusers charges against Father Corapi.

In that time we have not seen one credible shred of evidence against Father John Corapi to validate the charges against him. In fact, we have not even seen one piece of incredible evidence against Father Corapi and yet we are supposed to believe some rather incredible things.

We are to believe that previously:

Apart from a possible single DUI offense 12 years ago (which incurred a 7 day probationary penalty), that in 20 years of public ministry, Father Corapi was never seen publically in an intoxicated state.

That in 20 years no one has come forward as a witness to either seeing Father Corapi use illegal or abuse legal drugs, as having done drugs with Father Corapi, or sold illegal drugs to or purchased illegal drugs for Father Corapi’s use.

That in 20 years no one has come forward as a witness to Father Corapi having either solicited prostitutes or escort services either under his own name or under an alias.

That in 20 years no one has come forward as a witness to Father Corapi engaging in improper sacramental practices either in public or private celebration of the Eucharist or through the use of his priestly faculties.

That in 20 years no one has come forward as having been someone with whom Father Corapi has had willing or unwilling sexual relations with or cohabitated with romantically.

That in the space of 20 days a nameless investigative trio determined beyond all reasonable doubt that Father John Corapi is guilty of all the above offenses.

The Catholic media has not shown either through reports of witnesses or first hand witness that Father John Corapi was ever unable to perform his public ministry either due to the effects of drunkeness or drug abuse.

The Catholic media has not shown either through witness accounts or physical or circumstantial evidence (ex. credit card statements, financial records, photographs, recordings, videos) that Father Corapi ever procured or solicited prostitutes or sex related services through an escort service.

The Catholic media has not shown that Father John Corapi ever in any way engaged in improper sacramental practices, either by breaking the seal of the confessional, illicit or invalid consecration, profaning of the Eucharist, unauthorized ordinations, imporper use of priestly faculties, etc.

The Catholic media has not shown how SOLT’s nameless investigative trio acquired evidence, gathered testimony, provided the names of witnesses, nor have they provided the names of the investigators themselves or the principal accusers in the case Tamra Sexton or Matt Sprinkle.

This assassination attempt upon the character and reputation of Father John Corapi has been a case of journalistic malpractice of the hightest order. It is unjust, it is immoral and it is unconscionable. Retractions need to be made and apologies issued and follow up stories created immediately.

The various commentaries, conversations, conjecture and conspiracy theories confirming Father Corapi’s guilt and the reasons for his every public action have been breathtaking in their scope and presumptiousness. Scandalously, the purveyors of this inane tabloid babble have the audacity to call themselves American or worse yet, Catholic and Christian.

Instead of the intellectual arson that has been carried out upon Father John Corapi’s reputation and the minds of the Catholic faithful "

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