Stations of the Cross at WYD...

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why do you conclude that recalling and venerating events in the Passion mentioned in scripture is anti-Catholic?
 
Where did I say it was “anti-Catholic”? I just don’t understand why the Church feels it needs to change the Stations in order to not offend anyone. Why is the Church so afraid of offending someone?
 
Where did I say it was “anti-Catholic”? I just don’t understand why the Church feels it needs to change the Stations in order to not offend anyone. Why is the Church so afraid of offending someone?
Exactly. It sends a terrible message that what Our Saviour went through is something to be hid or conceal so as not to avoid.

I wonder if Germans get offended at Jews if they recall the Holocaust?
 
The devotion of Stations of the Cross has over the centuries varied from fewer Stations than we have now, to more than we have now. Even today, I don’t believe it’s something set in stone as is the Mass, or the Sacraments.

I really see no harm in having a totally Scriptural Stations of the Cross if it is expected that non-Catholic Christians will also be in attendance. I mean, the purpose is to pray and commemorate the Passion and Death of the Lord, not to breed division. There probably will be enough other “Catholic stuff” for any non-Catholic attendees to absorb.

As to not offending the Jews, quite frankly I think it’s high time that the Jews wake up and accept the reality that it was their own High Priest, Pharisees and Saducees, who orchestrated Jesus’ arrest and murder, and that we don’t blame the Jews who are alive today - they weren’t alive 2,000 years ago. Yes, the Romans hammered the nails in, but the whole plot was instigated, arranged and managed by the Jewish High Priest and his cohorts. They can deny it til the end of time, claiming “The Romans did it!” but I’m sure, if they think about it, they would realize that the Romans didn’t give a d*mn about a Jewish rabbi in the hindquarters of the Empire, so why would the Romans crucify Jesus 😦 if they hadn’t been pushed into it by somebody… and who else was around??
 
The devotion of Stations of the Cross has over the centuries varied from fewer Stations than we have now, to more than we have now. Even today, I don’t believe it’s something set in stone as is the Mass, or the Sacraments.
Well even the Mass changes as the NO is a lot different from the TLM. I personally don’t mind some change, so as long as its for the RIGHT reason.
I really see no harm in having a totally Scriptural Stations of the Cross if it is expected that non-Catholic Christians will also be in attendance. I mean, the purpose is to pray and commemorate the Passion and Death of the Lord, not to breed division. There probably will be enough other “Catholic stuff” for any non-Catholic attendees to absorb.
I would really like to know what Protestants would be offended, as the article quoted the Bishop saying we don’t want to offend, by the current form of the Stations of the Cross?
As to not offending the Jews, quite frankly I think it’s high time that the Jews wake up and accept the reality that it was their own High Priest, Pharisees and Saducees, who orchestrated Jesus’ arrest and murder, and that we don’t blame the Jews who are alive today - they weren’t alive 2,000 years ago. Yes, the Romans hammered the nails in, but the whole plot was instigated, arranged and managed by the Jewish High Priest and his cohorts. They can deny it til the end of time, claiming “The Romans did it!” but I’m sure, if they think about it, they would realize that the Romans didn’t give a d*mn about a Jewish rabbi in the hindquarters of the Empire, so why would the Romans crucify Jesus 😦 if they hadn’t been pushed into it by somebody… and who else was around??
Exactly. So why is the Bishop kowtowing to Jews, who I would imagine are not going to be in attendance in any significant number.
 
This really makes me angry:mad: I just don’t understand why the Catholic Church is so afraid of being Catholic.

brisbanetimes.com.au/news/national/catholic-church-opts-for-diplomatic-scripts-so-no-one-will-getcross/2008/05/28/1211654124112.html
I heard about CYD on ABC.au’s The Religion Report a few weeks ago. They are having trouble attracting enough people to it, as it will be in winter in Australia. One way to bring in potential converts, but also attract more people is to bring in other sects. It is a more open form of Catholicism. WYD is a time to spiritually grow and not just restricted to an “Orthodox” version of Catholicism. The Pope and Vatican are reaching out to all youth.
The church has changed one of its most popular devotions and a landmark event of World Youth Day to take account of the sensitivities of Jews and draw other Christian denominations into its youth celebrations.
 
The Pope and Vatican are reaching out to all youth.
I’ve got no problem with the Church reaching out to the youth and non-Catholics. But why not do it by presenting Catholicism in all its glory.

Have you ever heard of protestants, Jews, and other non-Christian sects caring about offending Catholics?
 
I’ve got no problem with the Church reaching out to the youth and non-Catholics. But why not do it by presenting Catholicism in all its glory.

Have you ever heard of protestants, Jews, and other non-Christian sects caring about offending Catholics?
They do that by respecting their own beliefs and treating us as equals. It depends on their own internal Jewish and Christian sects, some are more respectful than others (e.g. many Lutherans/Methodists respect Catholics while some Baptists make more vocal public pronouncements against).

Remember that some of the traditions have come with a rough history for the Catholic Church and what the represented in the long past when the Catholic Church was the main church in the western world of the time (e.g. Middle Ages. etc…). Some old wounds/recollections/stereotypes do not go away easily or heal very fast.
 
I heard about CYD on ABC.au’s The Religion Report a few weeks ago. They are having trouble attracting enough people to it, as it will be in winter in Australia. One way to bring in potential converts, but also attract more people is to bring in other sects. It is a more open form of Catholicism. WYD is a time to spiritually grow and not just restricted to an “Orthodox” version of Catholicism. The Pope and Vatican are reaching out to all youth.
Well, it’s not the 4 million who attended WYD in Manila or even the 500,000 in Denver, but even with fewer participants, it’s still enough participants that I don’t see the need for including non-Catholics:

Key WYD08 Statistics
  • Up to 225,000 registered pilgrims are expected to take part in WYD08 events each day, including 125,000 international visitors.
  • 100,000 Australian pilgrims are expected, including 40,000 from greater Sydney
  • An estimated 8,000 volunteers will assist
  • An estimated 2,000 clergy will be present
  • An estimated 700 Cardinals and Bishops will be present
  • Between 3,000 - 5,000 media are expected to cover the event
  • 3.5 million meals will be served to pilgrims
  • 100,000 will sleep in 700 schools and parishes
  • Up to 40,000 will be billeted as part of the HomeStay program
  • Approximately 20,000 will stay in Sydney hotels. The remainder will make their own arrangements.
  • Up to 500,000 people are expected to attend the Final Mass at Randwick Racecourse and Centennial Park (which is open to all)
  • The four official WYD08 languages are: English, French, Italian and Spanish
    Pope Benedict XVI has said he would rather have a purer, smaller Church than a large Church that is compromising to retain members. I’m sure he’d feel the same way about a purer, smaller WYD.
 
This really makes me angry I just don’t understand why the Catholic Church is so afraid of being Catholic.
this implies you think stations of the Cross that celebrate only gospel events are not Catholic. I am endeavoring to find out your basis for this opionion.
 
Umm…JPII utilized a different version of the stations that I believe Benedict has continued to use. This change is not a result of WYD, it has been going on for years in Rome.
 
Umm…JPII utilized a different version of the stations that I believe Benedict has continued to use. This change is not a result of WYD, it has been going on for years in Rome.
Yes that is true. However not many know that.
 
this implies you think stations of the Cross that celebrate only gospel events are not Catholic. I am endeavoring to find out your basis for this opionion.
I can’t speak for Xpat but I can tell you this. It is a very poor reason to change the Stations of the Cross so as to avoid a perceived offense against jews.
 
I can’t speak for Xpat but I can tell you this. It is a very poor reason to change the Stations of the Cross so as to avoid a perceived offense against jews.
so in your opinion the traditional Stations of the Cross are offensive to Jews? I am still not hearing any rationale for objecting to commemorating gospel events in this way.
 
so in your opinion the traditional Stations of the Cross are offensive to Jews? I am still not hearing any rationale for objecting to commemorating gospel events in this way.
Am I a Jew? How would I know if the traditional Stations of the Cross are offensive to Jews? Even if they are to some, I would never change it for that.

I have given a very sound rationale for my objection, whether you think its of merit is entirely up to you.
 
Keep in mind that the media’s view is that the stations were ‘changed’ to avoid anti-semitism.

First of all, they were ‘changed’ years before the Passion of the Christ came out in order to give them a scriptural basis.

Second…if the church could make adjustments to the devotion that accomplished cleaning up perceived anti semitism without compromising the doctrine and faith based elements…why not do it?
 
so in your opinion the traditional Stations of the Cross are offensive to Jews? I am still not hearing any rationale for objecting to commemorating gospel events in this way.
What I am objecting to is the Stations were changed in order to not offend anyone. That’s it.

I just wish the Church would stop caring so much about what non-Christians/Catholics think about her.
 
I just wish the Church would stop caring so much about what non-Christians/Catholics think about her.
Isn’t that our mission, to bring the Gospel to the world? How can we do that if we don’t care what they think about us?
 
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