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Think of poor St. Thomas More. He could have told Henry VIII they agree on the “essentials” and spared himself a lot of grief. Instead he submitted himself to the Church. What a loser doormat!
What about the great deacon, St. Lawrence. He was BBQ’d on an open grill. Legend has it he let his persecutors know the he was “done on this side, you can turn me over.”

The Church is full of examples of great holders of heroic virtue. All these many martyrs had to do was exactly what many of us do and be saved from all this suffering; give in to whoever is saying the Catholic Church and Jesus is wrong.

It’s that simple to make our life here on earth more comfortable; but then again eternity is quite a long time!:rolleyes:
 
Yes, I do (though I don’t get the wine really, if that matters). But for instance, in people not agreeing with everything. I know a lot of Catholics including myself that have eaten before receiving the Eucharist. I mean, I don’t find that to be a problem, and there are many others who think the same.

i forgot to quote: this was for the person who asked me about receiving the Eucharist…
 
Sorry once again to bring this message to you, but here goes; the Catholic Church is the Church Christ built on the Rock, Peter. His truths are taught by her, which He is the head of. Therefore, if I reject her, I reject Him! Again i say, docile submission to Jesus and His teachings is required, not creepy.🙂
I don’t believe that the Catholic Church and God are the same thing, or that the Church speaks with God’s authority. I understand, though, that you believe it, and what you say makes sense from that standpoint.
 
Yes, I do (though I don’t get the wine really, if that matters). But for instance, in people not agreeing with everything. I know a lot of Catholics including myself that have eaten before receiving the Eucharist. I mean, I don’t find that to be a problem, and there are many others who think the same.

i forgot to quote: this was for the person who asked me about receiving the Eucharist…
Well, sugah, usually by the time communion comes around it is about 40 minutes or more into Mass, right? If it took you 20 minutes or so after you stopped chowing down to get yourself to Mass before it started, well, you have managed to make the 1 hour fast. No problem.

Now if you mean that hey, you are starved and so you’re going to eat a twinkie during the homily and then 15 minutes later receive the Eucharist and you have ‘no problem’. . .that’s a little different.

Some of us remember a 3 hour fast (I can just barely) and in my mother’s time, one fasted from midnight (that’s why noon masses were not filled to capacity then the way they are today).

Is it really so much to refrain from eating for one hour to prepare to receive the Lord? Is He asking too much from you?
 
I don’t believe that the Catholic Church and God are the same thing, or that the Church speaks with God’s authority. I understand, though, that you believe it, and what you say makes sense from that standpoint.
Now this is a totally honest answer, thanks.👍

If you don’t mind me asking, who was Jesus speaking to and traing in His ministry? What “church” did the apostles begin at the cammand of Christ and where is that Church with the authority today?🤷
 
Yes, I do (though I don’t get the wine really, if that matters). But for instance, in people not agreeing with everything. I know a lot of Catholics including myself that have eaten before receiving the Eucharist. I mean, I don’t find that to be a problem, and there are many others who think the same.

i forgot to quote: this was for the person who asked me about receiving the Eucharist…
You believe you are eating the flesh and blood of our Lord, but you don’t fast for one hour before?
 
Maybe. . .heck, we all sin. But do we repent?

I agree with **every single teaching of the Catholic Church. Bar none. Because I have lived 53 years --and counting. . .and I have searched these teachings and found them true. **
So you didn’t agree with everything at first, but you did research and just just convinced yourself to believe it. I suppose that is what we must do, but us being humans, I just feel when rules/doctrines are presented to us, we abide by them the best we can, but there always some that we may “bend” or “break” or not agree with. God gave us a mind, and its hard to stop it from thinking the way we want to think. I mean there’s not one thing you disagree with, at all? I find that hard to believe.I have never met one Catholic who agrees with everything, well at least until now.
 
Now this is a totally honest answer, thanks.👍

If you don’t mind me asking, who was Jesus speaking to and traing in His ministry? What “church” did the apostles begin at the cammand of Christ and where is that Church with the authority today?🤷
Jesus was speaking to and training the Apostles. He didn’t gave a name to the church he founded, and today that “church” isn’t a single organization; rather it’s a body of believers known as Christianity.
 
So you didn’t agree with everything at first, but you did research and just just convinced yourself to believe it. I suppose that is what we must do, but us being humans, I just feel when rules/doctrines are presented to us, we abide by them the best we can, but there always some that we may “bend” or “break” or not agree with. God gave us a mind, and its hard to stop it from thinking the way we want to think. I mean there’s not one thing you disagree with, at all? I find that hard to believe.I have never met one Catholic who agrees with everything, well at least until now.
I can see your point from a secular view, but Christ wants our all. This is where humility comes in. It’s something that just grows in you. I must humble myself in the sight of the Lord.
 
Jesus was speaking to and training the Apostles. He didn’t gave a name to the church he founded, and today that “church” isn’t a single organization; rather it’s a body of believers known as Christianity.
To what was St Ignatius of Antioch referring when he said “Where the bishop is, there is the Catholic Church” in 107 AD?
 
So you didn’t agree with everything at first, but you did research and just just convinced yourself to believe it. I suppose that is what we must do, but us being humans, I just feel when rules/doctrines are presented to us, we abide by them the best we can, but there always some that we may “bend” or “break” or not agree with. God gave us a mind, and its hard to stop it from thinking the way we want to think. I mean there’s not one thing you disagree with, at all? I find that hard to believe.I have never met one Catholic who agrees with everything, well at least until now.
Even when I ‘disagreed’ with some teachings, I knew they were right but I ‘rationalized’ my way around some. Human beings are good at that. . .

And even now, when I sin (and I do), I repent and try to sin no more. I don’t say, “Well heck, I’m a sinner and I’m just going to fall anyway, no good even trying to stop.”

And no, not a single thing that I disagree with at all. I have learned that the Church (with 2000 years of experience and God as a CEO) is much wiser than any person (even the ‘geniuses’ among us) in recognizing things like absolute truth and such. Most often those who stumble on a teaching of the Church do so because they would either like to do what they should not, or not to do what they should. St. Paul said it first, and said it best.
 
I can see your point from a secular view, but Christ wants our all. This is where humility comes in. It’s something that just grows in you. I must humble myself in the sight of the Lord.
I understand, but like I said, we are humans, God gave us a mind, and a mind is a dangerous thing. It usually will disagree with something. Like I said, yes I believe in the Eucharist, but eating a piece of toast 45 minutes before I receive it is wrong? I just cant believe Christ would get upset over something like that. Is it biblical? Sure I understand fasting is Biblical, but I am just referring to when Jesus had the last supper or communion in general.
 
So you didn’t agree with everything at first, but you did research and just just convinced yourself to believe it.
Not to speak for Tantum, but in my case, it was not a matter of “convincing myself” - it was a matter of looking around me, and seeing that the Catholic Church understands reality as it is, and makes sense of it.

For example, I have an unmarried couple with children living with me in my basement. I was thinking, maybe it’s fine for them to be that way; I don’t know. Who am I to judge? But then, the girl let slip to me the other day, “It’s a lot to handle, for me. I am alone in being responsible for these children. It scares me to think that there is no one else on the whole planet who is legally responsible for them - I am completely alone. Their lives are in my hands alone. What if something happens to me?”

Now, is it God’s will for the mother of our next generation to feel so alone and so scared for her children? The Catholic Church teaches that marriage is the proper way to bring children into the world. Is it because the Catholic Church is being a big meanie, and doesn’t love the young man and young woman who are living in my basement?

Far from it. The Church loves that young woman so much, and doesn’t want her to feel so alone and scared. And God loves that young man enough to want to call him to his responsibilities, and to bring him into partnership with the mother of his children, instead of just being an observer on the sidelines who can wander off any time he feels like it - and miss out on the most important thing in his life.
I suppose that is what we must do, but us being humans, I just feel when rules/doctrines are presented to us, we abide by them the best we can, but there always some that we may “bend” or “break” or not agree with.
I think that over time, you would see the reason why the Church teaches what it teaches, if you are looking and listening and paying attention.
 
To what was St Ignatius of Antioch referring when he said “Where the bishop is, there is the Catholic Church” in 107 AD?
I don’t doubt that the early Christians called themselves the Catholic Church. What I don’t believe is that today’s Roman Catholic Church is heir to any special authority from Jesus or the Apostles; i.e. the doctrine of Apostolic Succession.
 
I understand, but like I said, we are humans, God gave us a mind, and a mind is a dangerous thing. It usually will disagree with something. Like I said, yes I believe in the Eucharist, but eating a piece of toast 45 minutes before I receive it is wrong? I just cant believe Christ would get upset over something like that. Is it biblical? Sure I understand fasting is Biblical, but I am just referring to when Jesus and the last supper or communion in general.
You know, the people at the temple changing money were just doing their jobs. Most of them had wives and family to support. They were just there supplying a need.

Can you believe that Christ got so upset with these people that He made WHIPS and chased them from the Temple yelling, “My Father’s House is a house of prayer, but you have made it a den of thieves?

Imagine. Calling those poor men ‘thieves’. Can you believe He’d get upset over some dumb rules like that? 😃

See, there’s a lot of you saying that you ‘can’t believe’ Jesus would ‘be like that.’ But Jesus is who He is. So if He says something. . .we might think, “well, I wouldn’t ask for that”. . .but so what? Who is ‘in charge’, Jesus or us? Who ‘makes the rules’, Jesus or us?
 
I understand, but like I said, we are humans, God gave us a mind, and a mind is a dangerous thing. It usually will disagree with something. Like I said, yes I believe in the Eucharist, but eating a piece of toast 45 minutes before I receive it is wrong? I just cant believe Christ would get upset over something like that. Is it biblical? Sure I understand fasting is Biblical, but I am just referring to when Jesus had the last supper or communion in general.
I bet the money changers in the Temple didn’t think Jesus would be mad at them for setting up an exchange district in the court of the Gentiles - after all, the Temple needed money, right? Boy, were they surprised!
 
I’m all too willing to submit to God. I just don’t believe the RCC is God’s representative here on earth.
Jesus Christ created or established one universal church, Universal meaning Catholic church. It is the one true church handed done by word of mouth (tradition) and the writings of the Apostles and Popes, with the bible interpreted by the fathers of the chruch.
 
I don’t doubt that the early Christians called themselves the Catholic Church. What I don’t believe is that today’s Roman Catholic Church is heir to any special authority from Jesus or the Apostles; i.e. the doctrine of Apostolic Succession.
Ted, how do you think people receive authority?

For example, where does parental authority come from?

Where does a boss’s authority come from?

Where does a teacher’s authority come from?

Where does the authority of the Crown come from?

Where does the President’s authority come from?
 
I understand, but like I said, we are humans, God gave us a mind, and a mind is a dangerous thing. It usually will disagree with something. Like I said, yes I believe in the Eucharist, but eating a piece of toast 45 minutes before I receive it is wrong? I just cant believe Christ would get upset over something like that. Is it biblical? Sure I understand fasting is Biblical, but I am just referring to when Jesus had the last supper or communion in general.
Christ doesn’t get upset. It’s a matter of your respect for the Real Presence. I go to daily mass at 6:30 AM. I used to drink coffee (with milk) within one hour of the Eucharist, I drank it on my way to mass, and since mass only lasts 25 min at most, was not completing the fast. I thought, well, I’m there, and it’s just coffee. Surely God cares more about me being there than drinking coffee. See how I’m starting to mold God in my own image? After a couple of years, I started getting really distracted at mass. I went to Confession, and now I get up 1/2 hour earlier to have my coffee. I know it sounds scrupulous, but if Christ died on the cross for me, why shouldn’t I at least do the minimum?
 
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