Staying free from feminist lies

[Clementine14]

She should appeal to him in everyway she can, and maybe even her pastor or their respected friends.

A husband should have his interest in her health and safety.

She should place her trust in his goodness.

A husband’s authority should not be “lorded” over her.

You all base your position on fear of a bad husband.

So in a medical emergency, in which a woman trusts her doctors and understands the situation completely, she still has to beg her husband to allow her to get a particular procedure, and even call her priest or friends?

A husband might not “mean to” be bad, but any husband who would not “allow” his wife to listen to her doctors when she feels they are right is not a good husband. Husbands make mistakes, and the cost of those mistakes could be extreme if he puts his “authority” above everything else.

 

[rcwitness]

This is such a gross exaggeration of anything I’ve said.

 

[heidi_storage]

Yes. If my husband moved us to Saudi Arabia, I wouldn’t be happy about it, but I’d do it and not whine about it, and I would have zero fear that the great latitude given to my husband would cause him to mistreat me.

I also trust my husband with medical decisions. If I am incapacitated, he will make medical decisions for me. Having a section has never come up, and I believe he’d leave the final say to me if I were awake and lucid, but I would trust his judgment in that matter, as well. After all, my body is his (and his body is mine). I do refrain from eating nice, rare steak during pregnancy because he would prefer me not to risk his child’s health, although in my opinion the risk is pretty small.

Rcwitness brings up an excellent point: Why on Earth would you marry a man you can’t trust?

(By the way, I disagree with rcwitness that cesareans are high-risk surgeries; they are generally very safe, and when in doubt as to the health of baby or mom I’d generally pick the section over waiting and seeing. But then, I am not married to rcwitness.)

 

[Clementine14]

This is such a gross exaggeration of anything I’ve said.

I suppose myself and a lot of other people on this thread are misinterpreting your message then.

 

[rcwitness]

rcwitness:

This is such a gross exaggeration of anything I’ve said.

I suppose myself and a lot of other people on this thread are misinterpreting your message then.

Well when you paint the husband as selfish, unloving, and Lording his authority, yes!

St Paul is relating the ideal for marriage. God created marriage, and He knows what makes the marriage the strongest, in Him.

The wife should serve her husband in the same spirit as that of the Church’s service to Christ!

By submitting to her husband’s headship of the family, she is strengthening him and the family. If a woman friend struggled with an unjust husband, I would willingly speak with him, to appeal to His faith, to help him love his wife better. I have even offered this to a woman I know!

And if my wife, or my pastor, or a friend brought an unjust behavior that I had towards my wife, i would receive it in good spirit.

 

[TheLittleLady]

The wife should serve her husband in the same spirit as that of the Church’s service to Christ !

The husband is commanded to serve his wife, to give up his life for her, as Christ is the servant of all.

 

[rcwitness]

Absolutely! Yet, there is a distinction made with the roles. One is the head.

 

[rcwitness]

As far as I know, c-sections are a high risk surgery, but I may be wrong.

I am not against them, when complications and risks warrant. It’s planning them from the outset, with no apparent reason, that is unethical, in my opinion.

I think many decisions should be left to a Wife! But major ones should at least be approved by the husband. The husband should be wise in respecting all professional opinions and expertise! He certainly shouldn’t act as though he knows more than everyone!

 

[Sarcelle]

Yes, that’s not being a good leader.

Being a good leader means looking after the people in ones care and respecting them and not second guessing them.

There is a world of difference between a leader and a micromanager. True leadership is not tyranny.

 

[Edmundus1581]

rcwitness:

The wife should serve her husband in the same spirit as that of the Church’s service to Christ !

The husband is commanded to serve his wife, to give up his life for her, as Christ is the servant of all.

Are you saying that the husband is Christ to the wife in service, but not in authority? (Speaking of assigned roles, by scripture and, apparently you).

It is common today in discussions of Christian marriage to emphasise the husband as “servant” (Christ), but with no special authority (also Christ). The family decisions are to be negotiated in “equality” until agreement is reached - which effectively gives power to the wife because she is better at arguing, and, particularly these days, has the force of feminism backing her.

This model expects the father to provide financially, to work equally in the home (as we’ve seen here), and yet in the event of a serious, intractable difference of opinion (eg. naming a child) he cannot end the dispute from authority without being labelled a “bully” or “tyrant”. (I had exactly this dispute with my wife, and she got her way because she’d already laid down this pattern).

What man would sign into this one sided contract?

In Casti Conunubii (1930) Pope Pius XI expanded on Ephesians 5, and predicted the consequences of denying the husband’s authority.

Domestic society being confirmed, therefore, by this bond of love, there should flourish in it that "order of love," as St. Augustine calls it. This order includes both the primacy of the husband with regard to the wife and children, the ready subjection of the wife and her willing obedience, which the Apostle commends in these words: "Let women be subject to their husbands as to the Lord, because the husband is the head of the wife, and Christ is the head of the Church."

This subjection, however, does not deny or take away the liberty which fully belongs to the woman both in view of her dignity as a human person, and in view of her most noble office as wife and mother and companion; nor does it bid her obey her husband’s every request if not in harmony with right reason or with the dignity due to wife; [It does not] imply that the wife should be put on a level with those persons who in law are called minors, to whom it is not customary to allow free exercise of their rights on account of their lack of mature judgment, or of their ignorance of human affairs. But it forbids that exaggerated liberty which cares not for the good of the family; it forbids that in this body which is the family, the heart be separated from the head to the great detriment of the whole body and the proximate danger of ruin. For if the man is the head, the woman is the heart, and as he occupies the chief place in ruling, so she may and ought to claim for herself the chief place in love.

Prophetic