Stephen Gately's Funeral Mass

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Are our bishops so oblivious to Catholic teaching that they allow practicing homosexuals (who had a ‘husband’) to have a Catholic funeral, which brings about great scandal? During the Mass, there was a few mentions of his ‘husband’, and how he was surely in heaven.

I don’t know whether Gately is in heaven or hell, or purgatory, it’s not my place to judge, I have plenty of things to worry about regarding my own soul, but this causes a terrible deal of harm to the faithful.
 
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Are our bishops so oblivious to Catholic teaching that they allow practicing homosexuals (who had a ‘husband’) to have a Catholic funeral, which brings about great scandal? During the Mass, there was a few mentions of his ‘husband’, and how he was surely in heaven.

I don’t know whether Gately is in heaven or hell, or purgatory, it’s not my place to judge, I have plenty of things to worry about regarding my own soul, but this causes a terrible deal of harm to the faithful.
Love the sinner, hate the sin.

Stephen Gately is dead. We may not agree with his lifestyle choices but that is for God to judge now, not us.

Rest in Peace, Stephen Gately :signofcross:
 
This makes a mockery of the Catholic Church. What is the point of saying something is wrong, but then dont take that seriously? I wonder how many Catholics there today and through Ireland and the U.K accept homosexuality as normal and fine, and this lack of attention from our bishops is greatly worrying.

I pray for his soul, but nothing was said about his choice of lifestyle, while the priest was falling over himself to say how wonderful Stephen was. The Church is clear on these matters of morality, and this man obstinately rejected the Church’s teaching.
 
Stephen Gately was a baptised and confirmed Catholic. Whatever he did in his life I think that he was entitled to a Catholic funeral Mass. What do we know? He may have been to confession that day. That’s between him and his Maker. I hope he rests in peace.

However, what I object to in the Church here in the UK and, unfortunately it seems in Ireland, is bad catechesis and inaccurate liturgical practice. We should all be singing from the same hymn sheet, so to speak.

I was shocked to see the behaviour of the crowd outside the church. Ireland is still a Catholic country but this could have been in any of the cities of the mainland of the largely secular UK. I watched the proceedings on Sky News and I was saddened by the sight of mainly Catholic people of all ages paying no heed to the Mass that was being said just yards away from them. They were talking, giggling, smoking, wandering around and using their mobile phones to take photos and carry on conversations all the way through the Mass. They only seemed to quieten down when Ronan Keating sang and during the eulogy by Stephen’s friends from Boyzone. This is a sign of bad catechesis from the local Church and teachers of religion.

I was angered by Sky’s coverage. The commentator had no idea about Catholic practice at these occasions and, when they cut away from the Gospel to speak to, I think it was Christopher Biggins, I could have screamed. They also talked about the wake as if it was something very strange. Staying awake in vigil with the deceased on the night before burial is common in Ireland even now.

Then we have the music. The Communion hymn: “In this Life”, sung by Ronan Keating. Since when has this song become a hymn? Then came the ultimate sacrilege. “At Last (My love has Come Along). AT COMMUNION! Please don’t anyone tell me that that was referring to Christ!

How any parish priest could have allowed that is beyond me. Whether he spoke to his Archbishop, who knows? In my opinion, and under the circumstances of Stephen’s private life, the Requiem Mass should have been regular and not broadcast to outside. It has set a very bad example. The evangelicals must be rubbing their hands with glee. You can almost hear them say, “Look, those Catholics believe in living in sin and they accept homosexuality. They’re not real Christians.”

Stephen was loved by all who knew him, that is evident but secular music and glossing over things that are not in line with Church teaching belongs to a future memorial service, perhaps. It does not belong in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
 
This makes a mockery of the Catholic Church. What is the point of saying something is wrong, but then dont take that seriously? I wonder how many Catholics there today and through Ireland and the U.K accept homosexuality as normal and fine, and this lack of attention from our bishops is greatly worrying.

I pray for his soul, but nothing was said about his choice of lifestyle, while the priest was falling over himself to say how wonderful Stephen was. The Church is clear on these matters of morality, and this man obstinately rejected the Church’s teaching.
What’s the point, on the other hand, of the Church teaching that God is Mercy, and desires urgently the salvation of every soul, that He can forgive even the worst sinner if they repent, even if it’s only interiorly, that we cannot say that any particular individual, even a Hitler or a Stalin, is in Hell for their sins - if we don’t take THOSE teachings seriously, and instead shun and speak evil of Catholics who have led bad lives as if their salvation were an impossibility? What kind of a message does THAT send?
 
He may have went to confession earlier that day but he showed no public signs of repentence and since he is a celebrity and a public figure, this causes great scandal. At the Mass, the letter of St Paul to the Romans was read from, its curious that the beginning of that very same letter calls homosexual acts shameful and deserving of punishment, The priest spoke of Gateley’s love of his same sex parter and their commitment together. And all this is happening at Mass, along with the songs and the eulogies from members of Boyzone. And yes…Gateley has went straight to heaven and is now seeing Jesus, according to the priest. What a mockery of the Catholic Church’s teachings.
 
The teaching of the Church is quite clear. It is not permissable to conduct a requiem Mass in a Catholic Church for someone who was no longer a member of that Church - either through living in an irregular relationship; being a public and unrepentant sinner; having left the Faith Community, and so on.

Stephen Gately might have been a sweet man in human terms, but God’s ways are not ours. The way we love God is much deeper than just being a pleasant person (even the pagans can do that) - it is in trying to avoid sin, being as faithful as we can, and being obedient to His laws (even if they don’t make sense to us in the world we find ourselves). Nowadays it seems that the Western world is obsessed with giving homosexual sexual relationships the same status as married relationships. In God’s eyes there is only one form of vaild human sexual relationship - marriage, and that is definied as a man and a woman living as one body, in unity under Christ. This is the way God has guided and proteced humanity from the very beginning. It is His will. This young man, through the misguided zeal for promoting his sexuality, had in effect left the Catholic Church (many homosexuals see the Church not as the loving Mother she is, but as some kind of oppressive anti-gay regime - the Devil rejoices to join forces with such men, who do his work for him…i.e. in causing rebellon against God and His Holy and most Beautiful Church, the Bride of Christ). From what I read Stephen Gately dabbled in Buddhist and Eastern types of spirituality (Christ is the Way, not Buddha or Muhammad!), and it seems had rejected his Catholic faith - leading to a rift with his Catholic family. He also entered into a union (civil partnership) which once entered into excluded him from the sacraments, and therefore effectual membership of the Faith Community. He was in effect excommunicated. He seemed comfortable with being called another man’s husband - an impossiblity for the Church, and a mockery of marriage (an institution most strongly defended by the Son of God and Price of Peace). Many poor souls would have been led away from the Faith by this example - in that they would have reason to think that it is somehow “OK to be gay” and live in direct conflict with the Kingdom of God, forgetting that the Great Teacher of the Faith, St Paul of Tarsus, warned all Christians that “sodomites… do not inherit the Kingdom of God”! A public sinner is therefore a scandal to the little ones called by Christ - and this must be taken seriously! Souls do go to Hell, the three saints of Fatima saw them (countless in number), and Our Lord warned us, more than anyone else, about the reality of this horrific, evil place. It is our choice whether we want to go there or not (free will), and the way we choose is by the way we live our lives - with Christ, or against Him. He is found in the Church, given to St Peter and his Successors. He is not found in those who mock (with no justification) the Catholic Church.

It seems that this poor soul did not publicly repent of his sin, he did not leave the union he was in, and he was not reconcilled to the Church. We can only hope, that by some mercy of God, he was given a few moments to repent just before Death. God, can and does so often allow the soul this one last grace…but a man tied up in the bonds of sin will find it very difficult to resist the whisperings of satan at this last trial. Our prayers, even now, in temporal ways beyond the time of his death, may actually be able to have an effect on that moment - through their eternal merits. Of course, no one knows the day nor the hour, and that is why we must always be aware that our enemy, the Devil, is always on the prowl looking for a soul to devour. He is real, he is after us, but if we place our little souls into God’s mercy he can never have the victory over us. But sin has dreadful consequences - it does lead to early death and to Hell…Let us take this sad tale as a warning, a parable of how we should always be on our guard against the enemy of mankind! Do not listen to the World and those who love it - its Prince is the one cast out of Heaven!

We can only hope that Stephen Gately managed to turn to God at the last moment, and that his all night drinking, cannabis smoking and picking up of a man from a gay bar will not have damaged his faculties to reason too much. The Church should not have buried him - as a sign that those who leave her, through their own will, have left her bonds of grace. Remember the foolish virgins of the Gospel - there are foolish ones around today who somehow think that there’s always enough time to repent. There is not. Now is the time to repent, now is the Judge standing at the door, now is the appointed time! The Church should pray for him, though, for who knows what God’s will is…He was baptised, after all, and that is the most powerful of sacraments. He would have had Our Lady’s prayers “nunc et in ora mortis”. Also, it is an act of great mercy to pray for the dead - however they died and whoever they might have been. His family (not civil partner - who I guess is not a Catholic) will need the comforts of their faith, and it would be only right for the Church to offer them some consolations - a Mass, a blessing, the ministry of the parish priest. As for Stephen it might have been best for the Archbishop of Dublin to keep to his pastoral mission for all the souls of his Diocese and advised that he be buried in another place, though prayers for the repose of his soul, and maybe, after some time, even a Mass, could be offered for this intention.

It concerns me that the Church has been so infected by the present age that it may have become a stumbling block to those searching for the Truth - which always and ever will be the surest sign of Love.
 
I watched the funeral Mass on Sky, correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought it was one of the readers who mentioned the “husband” word, not the priest.
I also recall the priest stressing at least twice something along the lines of 'whatever happens to us / whatever we do in life, " . . . that the Lord is merciful and that Jesus died to save us, even though we are sinners, as long as we believe in Jesus Christ…

I think more than anything else this Mass was to pray for his soul that his undoubted sins are forgiven. I think that’s a very good message to send out to the public on prime-time TV.

Moreover, whatever errant paths people take on this earth, at the end of the day, which path is it they always want to come back to? Buddah’s? Mohammed’s? ‘New-age’ pyramids and crystals? Nope. It’s Jesus’ path they want come back to – because He is merciful, and the only way to salvation.

Also, who would have thought that it would be members a boy band of all people who would be getting a national commercial news channel to focus its coverage on the Roman Catholic Mass?? That has to be a good thing, particularly in this in this increasing secular, relativistic, and materialistic era.

By the way, on the subject of what is a ‘hymn’ and what isn’t, I am sure I’ve actively participated in more “Latin” masses than most Catholics reading this – I was singing the stuff from the choir loft of my Catholic (Jesuit) boarding school for around a decade – yes including Latin requiem masses – even though many of the composers were not even Catholics – take JS Bach who was a Lutheran! And there are questionmarks over Beethoven, who apparently not an actively practicing Catholic. Does that mean we should not have sung their “hymns”??

Furthermore, our organist wasn’t a Catholic, our orchestra conductor wasn’t, nor even our Choir Director (and also my music teacher). All were non-Catholics! Does that mean I was “singing in sin”??

I’ve also sung lots of modern works as well, and yes – even happy-clappy guitar-accompanied stuff including such ‘abominations’ as “My Sweet Lord” by George Harrison, and Kumbaya etc… Either way, we did not need to get a license from the Vatican to sing them! (and I’m sure the Pope wouldn’t have minded)
 
there is only one person on the planet who can address the issue raised here, and that is the priest who attended that individual just before his death. If you are not that person, you have no judgement or opinion to offer on the state of that individual’s soul, on his fate after death, and on whether or not he “qualified” for a Catholic funeral. Since that is a short list, this should be a short thread.
 
there is only one person on the planet who can address the issue raised here, and that is the priest who attended that individual just before his death. If you are not that person, you have no judgement or opinion to offer on the state of that individual’s soul, on his fate after death, and on whether or not he “qualified” for a Catholic funeral. Since that is a short list, this should be a short thread.
AMEN! Although in this case he died very unexpectedly, it’s doubtful he received the last rites.

Assuming he did, EVEN that priest could ONLY comment on what he saw or heard Stephen Gately say or do - which of course is hardly a perfect reflection of his state of mind and soul at the moment he died in any event.
 
Of all the news sites you could have quoted, that was the one you should have avoided. The Daily Mail has not had a good time over its coverage of Stephen Gately’s death: Anger over Daily Mail column on Gately.

As to the tone of your post, here is something by a pagan poet, which seems to me to be much more in keeping:
Ave atque Vale

Through many countries and over many seas
I have come, Brother, to these melancholy rites,
to show this final honour to the dead,
and speak (to what purpose?) to your silent ashes,
since now fate takes you, even you, from me.
Oh, Brother, ripped away from me so cruelly,
now at least take these last offerings, blessed
by the tradition of our parents, gifts to the dead.
Accept, by custom, what a Brother’s tears drown,
and, for eternity, Brother, ‘Hail and Farewell’.
  • Gaius Valerius Catullus
rossum
 
Some reflections on the post left by A388.

Regarding the use of the term “husband” to describe the civil partner. It doesn’t matter whether or not it was the priest who said this - one of the ministers or members of the congregation was allowed to use this word, and was not corrected by the priest, who presides over all things in the liturgical and teaching ministry at Mass. Seeing it was a Mass broadcast to others it would have been an ideal opportunity for the priest to highlight that the Church does not recognise two men as husbands of one another - though, needless to say this would have been a bit insensitive given the circumstances…Even so, the priest should a least have made it clear to all participants (before Mass started) that they were not to use “pro-gay” words and phrases (they can do that in the secular and probably “gay” memorial service in London).

As for salvation for all who believe in Christ - well, of course, this is our Faith and our Hope. BUT, did this poor soul still believe in Christ, or had he, as stories in the press suggest, turned over to new age beliefs? Belief in Chirst requires fidelity to his Church’s moral teaching, and therefore a public act of infidelity towards her magisterium (i.e. entering into a homosexual civil union) could also be seen as an act against faith in Christ (who built his Church on the rock of Peter).

You said “I think more than anything else this Mass was to pray for his soul that his undoubted sins be forgiven”. This theology seems to be a common mistake amongst Catholics. Requiem Masses are not offered for the forgiveness of sins, but for the the Holy Souls (whose sins were forgiven prior to death) in Purgatory - that they may find relief in their trail and be delivered into the Beatific Vision. Masses are therefore offered for those receiving just punishments for sins that have been repented of before being allowed into the sight of God. Men and women have to repent of sins (and therefore be forgiven) before dying - it is not possible (as far as we know, and the Church teaches) to do this after death. A soul in mortal sin (a serious, grave matter, committed with full knowledge and free will) cannot be considered worthy to enter Purgatory. Such people have deliberately turned their backs on God. It is for God alone, though, to determine whether a soul is in such a state (as a person might be sufferring from psychological factors whcih hinder its ability to judge freely). So, if those watching the broadcast now think that it’s somehow ok to die in state of mortal sin, as the Church will somehow be able to forgive them after death, then this is scandalous.

As for your point that people who take errant paths always come back to Christ - well let’s hope many do. Unfortunately, lots often do not, and end up dying in a religion contrary to the Christian faith.

Yes, it is good that God can bring blessings out of any situation, and can (and does) so often bring about holy and wonderful graces out of tragic and unhappy circumstances - as you said, the broadcasting of Holy Mass on daytime television.
 
A reflecion on puzzleannie’s post.

This poor man died alone and without the aid of a priest - that is a fact. He did not receive the sacraments before dying. He died alone in his living-room after a long night out, drinking and smoking cannabis (though these facts might not be relevant). He died whilst his homosexual partner (with legal status as such in English Law) was in another room, possibly with another man whom they both had “befriended” in a gay bar. I shouldn’t have thought that they had a chaplain in the house.

Even if there was a priest who had heard his last confession it remains God’s prerogative to judge the souls of all who die - which means, according to your theory, no-one could comment on this subject at all, ever. As this man was a famous singer, with many young fans (some of whom are Catholics) it is more than just that we Catholics reflect on what message our Church is giving these people by seeming to condone a lifestyle opposed to Christ’s teaching. It might seem unfair but each of us have to repent of sin, and no-one knows the hour of death. A public person should repent publicly - so that the damage caused by the scandal may be undone (and reversed). Unfortunately, it would seem that this poor man had no intention of leaving the civil union he was in and renouncing homosexual relations. It’s a shame. We can only hope and pray, though, that he repented internally just before, or at the point of death. Oscar Wilde, a known homosexual, repented on his death bed and was received into the Church. He also made it known that he renounced his former lifestyle - a grace indeed…It’s a pity that the Church doesn’t point out these miraculous conversions to those homosexuals who hijack Wilde a one of their “heroes”.
 
What’s the point, on the other hand, of the Church teaching that God is Mercy, and desires urgently the salvation of every soul, that He can forgive even the worst sinner if they repent, even if it’s only interiorly, that we cannot say that any particular individual, even a Hitler or a Stalin, is in Hell for their sins - if we don’t take THOSE teachings seriously, and instead shun and speak evil of Catholics who have led bad lives as if their salvation were an impossibility? What kind of a message does THAT send?

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍 I think you know the answer to your last question: white, heterosexual, capitalist, clerical, right-wing, orthodox sin, God will forgive. All others: forget it. After all, that’s what Jesus said, isn’t it - that all those sins are unforgivable ?​

I’ll give you your answer - it sends the message that Catholics are all talk & fine ideas, who are fine at loving their own kind, but “even the heathen do as much”. Show people “conservatives” who truly love “liberals” (and conversely) - people or churches, it makes no difference - and then onlookers might be favourably impressed. Continue the cliques and the lack of compassion - and why should anyone take RCs or their religion seriously, except as a gang of crooks or similar menace ? (Or their God ?)
 

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍 I think you know the answer to your last question: white, heterosexual, capitalist, clerical, right-wing, orthodox sin, God will forgive. All others: forget it. After all, that’s what Jesus said, isn’t it - that all those sins are unforgivable ?​

I’ll give you your answer - it sends the message that Catholics are all talk & fine ideas, who are fine at loving their own kind, but “even the heathen do as much”. Show people “conservatives” who truly love “liberals” (and conversely) - people or churches, it makes no difference - and then onlookers might be favourably impressed. Continue the cliques and the lack of compassion - and why should anyone take RCs or their religion seriously, except as a gang of crooks or similar menace ? (Or their God ?)
The bishops have shown no compassion for the souls entrusted to their care by allowed such evil to exist without their commitment to instrust the faithful about Christ’s teaching. A bishop who does not show due diligence in protecting the flock commits a grave sin. These bishops know the Church’s teaching but have refused to support it publicly because of their fear of seeming ‘out of date’.

I pray that our bishops will follow the example set by Saint Athanasius of Alexandira, who bravely fought for the truth in the midst of indifference.
 
The bishops have shown no compassion for the souls entrusted to their care by allowed such evil to exist without their commitment to instrust the faithful about Christ’s teaching. A bishop who does not show due diligence in protecting the flock commits a grave sin. These bishops know the Church’s teaching but have refused to support it publicly because of their fear of seeming ‘out of date’.

I pray that our bishops will follow the example set by Saint Athanasius of Alexandira, who bravely fought for the truth in the midst of indifference.
Sadly,I have to agree with you.I am sick of Kumbayah Catholicism.We either stand for the Truth(Christ)or we don’t.May that person who was publicly persistent in his sin be forgiven and welcomed into God’s presence.A low profile funeral mass should have sufficed.Why were any eulogies at all allowed at the Funeral Mass?They certainly are not in Canada.

Eulogies are reserved for the wake not a Funeral Mass.The priest that allowed these eulogies and referrals to the deceased’s "husband"brought scandal to the Church and the faithful.He should be disciplined by his Bishop.If the Bishop is complicit members of that Diocese should send letters of protest to the Vatican.
Christ will forgive ANYTHING,but He also admonishes us to,“go,and sin no more”.

As a devout Catholic I find this,as well as the PUBLIC Funeral Mass for the late Ted Kennedy a persistent supporter of abortion and thusly self-excommunicated,shameful,embarrassing and a slap in the face to the FAITHFUL.Don’t deny these people private Funeral Masses but to do so publicly merely celebrates their obstinacy in sin.And I don’t care IF they repented at the last second(i hope they did)Their public behaviour brought scandal to the Church and hurt the ordinary Faithful,and set a horrible example and thusly they should have forfeited a public eulogized Mass which should have been celebrated in private.

Mafia members(those who also persist in sin) are denied ANY mass in the Diocese of Hamilton in Ontario.
 
Sadly,I have to agree with you.I am sick of Kumbayah Catholicism.We either stand for the Truth(Christ)or we don’t.May that person who was publicly persistent in his sin be forgiven and welcomed into God’s presence.A low profile funeral mass should have sufficed.Why were any eulogies at all allowed at the Funeral Mass?They certainly are not in Canada.

Eulogies are reserved for the wake not a Funeral Mass.The priest that allowed these eulogies and referrals to the deceased’s "husband"brought scandal to the Church and the faithful.He should be disciplined by his Bishop.If the Bishop is complicit members of that Diocese should send letters of protest to the Vatican.
Christ will forgive ANYTHING,but He also admonishes us to,“go,and sin no more”.

As a devout Catholic I find this,as well as the PUBLIC Funeral Mass for the late Ted Kennedy a persistent supporter of abortion and thusly self-excommunicated,shameful,embarrassing and a slap in the face to the FAITHFUL.Don’t deny these people private Funeral Masses but to do so publicly merely celebrates their obstinacy in sin.And I don’t care IF they repented at the last second(i hope they did)Their public behaviour brought scandal to the Church and hurt the ordinary Faithful,and set a horrible example and thusly they should have forfeited a public eulogized Mass which should have been celebrated in private.

Mafia members(those who also persist in sin) are denied ANY mass in the Diocese of Hamilton in Ontario.
 
Sorry about that, my finger went into spasm and hit the mouse before I wrote anything.

I don’t know if you saw what I wrote on the day. I’m about 3 messages down.

I just know that this would not have been allowed in my parish. My mother died in June after an exemplary Catholic life of 99 years. I put the Mass together with the help of my priest. I took care to have the readings that were pertenant to the occasion. In fact, I followed the tridentine Mass for the dead. I composed the order of service and was very particular that it follow GIRM. I also asked for guidance on this wonderful site.

There was a sung Kyrie, Psalm, Agnus Dei, all her favourite hymns and In Paradisum at the final commendation. My brother came up to the altar to give his “tribute”, a new thing I know, after Holy Communion. Only after the Mass did my friend play a personal song on the piano. It was Mum’s signiture song but most of us were outside the church and her coffin was already in the hearse, waiting to be taken away to her final resting place with my beloved father.

Everyone, Catholic, Protestant and none said it was so beautiful. It was Christ centred.

Now, Stephen’s funeral Mass should not have been broadcast to the outside. Things were said that she not have been said inside a Catholic church. I just don’t understand. Luciano Pavarotti’s funeral was the same.

Just to say that a “wake” is what his friends did for him on the night before his burial. It means to stay awake in vigil. The media thought that this was something new and “really kind to his mother”. The wake is not a memorial nor a huge booze up after the funeral.

Anyway, we’ll probably hear no more about it. This young guy has died and he has left his family and friends in shock. Let’s just pray for his soul and ask that the media do not trivialise our sacred worship and traditions.
 
dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1221030/Stephen-Gately-funeral-Boyzone-perform-moving-musical-tribute-stars-gather-say-farewell.html

Are our bishops so oblivious to Catholic teaching that they allow practicing homosexuals (who had a ‘husband’) to have a Catholic funeral, which brings about great scandal?
Divorced and remarried people get funerals. Why not homosexuals?
Heck, even the local street prostitute who died from an OD received a Catholic funeral. Why is the line being drawn for homosexuals?
During the Mass, there was a few mentions of his ‘husband’, and how he was surely in heaven.
Well, there’s not much you can do when someone speaks “off the cuff.” I think its debatable whether a funeral is the time and place to correct the grieving.
 
Why were any eulogies at all allowed at the Funeral Mass?
The Order of Christian Funerals allows for someone to speak in remembrance of the deceased.
Eulogies are reserved for the wake not a Funeral Mass.
Someone speaking in remembrance of the deceased is permitted in the OCF after the prayer after communion.
The priest that allowed these eulogies and referrals to the deceased’s "husband"brought scandal to the Church and the faithful.He should be disciplined by his Bishop.If the Bishop is complicit members of that Diocese should send letters of protest to the Vatican.
Odds are that the priest is going to claim he didn’t know they were going to say those things and that he was caught off guard. The bishop isn’t going to come down heavy on him for that. And the Vatican isn’t going to get involved over such a local pastoral issue.
 
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